The College Football thread

“I noticed the site wouldn't let me edit a while back. What a pain in the butt.


"Saban, who two weeks ago declared "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach," accepted the Tide's job offer job and abandoned his attempt to rebuild the Dolphins after only two seasons."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2718488”

“Hey, arcy, tell everybody how many national championships the Gators have.”

“Hey FG, tell everyone how many Campbell award winners Bama has.”

“Don't either of you know anything?

LOL.”

“Don't you know I'm ignorant?


Except about the Campbell Award. I do know why the Campbell is awarded.”

“Answer mine first...”

“The John W. Campbell Memorial Award for Best Science Fiction Novel has been awarded every year since 1973, except in 1994. Unlike other major science fiction awards, such as the Hugo and the Nebula, recipients are selected by a jury.

In 1976, the jury felt that no truly outstanding novels had been published the previous year, and so the award was given retrospectively to a novel published in 1970.

In 1994, no award was given; this was due to a breakdown in the nomination process, not because no novel was judged worthy.

The award ceremony has been held in a number of places over the years, but since 1979, has been held at the University of Kansas, where it has become the focus of a weekend-long conference that also includes discussions of the writing, illustration, publishing, teaching, and criticism of science fiction.

Gee whiz, arcy, I didn't know Gator football players were so litterate. You must be very proud. Now, about all those national championships...”

“The fact that UF has won 3 BCS Championship Games after winning SEC Championship Games each of those years is a matter of record even the most illiterate can comprehend.


FG, I realize that you Alabama folks enjoy your football factory but isn’t Alabama supposed to be a University? If it is a University, and not just a football factory, Alabama has a sad history of poor performance:


Alabama is not a member of the AAU
http://www.aau.edu/

Graduation rates are below average
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2008-10-14-grad-rates_N.htm

Over the years, graduation rates have been below better SEC schools
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2009/11/20/1166347/sec-graduation-success-rates

They have no Campbell Award winners (and probably don’t care)
http://www.footballfoundation.org/draddyformer.php

Bear Bryant publically admitted they bought players
http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2008/06/09/the-history-of-college-football-recruiting-cheating-part-4/

And many, many, folks (most notably Auburn fans on youtube) have raised valid doubts concerning a number of Alabama’s claimed national championships.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAbBwfDr6_s


A friend of mine, who played football at Troy, remembers seeing twice as many players on the Alabama sideline than they had on their team. I’ll bet Ohio State could manage to beat Florida with a two-to-one player advantage.




Dayhiker and I were taking about loyalty, respect, and honorable behavior. It’s not surprising that you missed the point, FG. You bring up a topic that has been questioned for accuracy and honesty. And you can’t point to a single instance where an Alabama player won the most prestigious and desirable trophy for academic success, football performance and exemplary community leadership.

Most folks must seem pretty silly to you for thinking that Universities are for the education of students not minor league football factories.

Hey, with an honorable “tradition” like Bama’s shouldn’t we all be impressed?”

“Yeah but Florida doesn't have any tradition...”

“OMG!

IT LIVES!!!”

“Uh,arcy this is a football thread. If you're ashamed of the Gator's football record, just say so, tuck your tail between your legs and p!$$ on yourself. Nobody's looking...really.”

“Oh wait FG, the NCAA has Florida listed as shared National Champions in 1984 too.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/NCAA/Sports%20and%20Championship/General%20Information/ia_football_past_champs.html


But most Gators don’t consider it a legitimate National Championship. Florida fans don’t want to cheapen our fine University by claiming titles that aren’t totally legitimate. It’s an honor thing, FG. You wouldn’t understand.



And for those who are so illiterate as to need repeats:


Alabama famously claims a great number of “National Championships”. However, prior to 1936, how credible are those claims? Many of the pre-1936 claims title claims rely on an organization (now dissolved) called the Helms Athletic Foundation, which was founded in 1936. For championships prior to 1936, Helms “researched records” dating back to 1901 and decided, in retrospect, who the “National Champion” was. Thus, how “solid” can Alabama’s claims of 1925, 1926, 1930 (a split?) and 1934.

1964 is a complete laugher. By all measures the NC belongs to Arkansas in 1964. But that doesn’t stop Alabama fans from claiming it.


So, FG, now you can answer my question: exactly how many legitimate National Championships can Alabama claim?

In order to be honest, you should start cutting off some of those yearly patches from your fake varsity jacket (like the ones I’ve seen Alabama fans wearing).”

“Uh, that would be 13 of 'em. Disprove it.”

“Um, you're a lying scum and that's the truth.

And you're still scared to answer my question.


Well that certainly proves one of my past points:

You're a mama's boy.”

“Hey arcy, from your previous posts I see that you ride. Whatch'a got? You get up around my neck of the woods, let's go for a putt. I get down your way once in a while. My club has chapters in Crestview, St. Augustine and Orlando. I don't care if you're a phuckin' Gator fan. It's all good.”

“I'm not sure what you'd call it. It started life as a Road King but, except for the frame, it's completely customized.

http://picasaweb.google.com/chriseversole1/DavidGrantSHarleyDec08?feat=email#


I may build a bike from the parts I've got in my garage.”

“$h!thouse Mouse, that's cool as hell!!! Nice sled! Me, I ride a pretty much stock Fatboy. If I can afford it before Arthur takes over, I'll get an Ultra Classic trike.”

“Oh, hell, I didn't see your previous post. You haven't answered mine either, you pantywaste sumb!tch. Phuk you, you pu$$y motherphukr!!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!”

“I always loved the Fatboys. I like the Fatbob too. But I like to travel long distances. I've got Arnott air shocks with an on-board compressor. I've spent ten hours straight in the saddle feeling great. That sucker is a Cadillac on the road.

Yeah it's pretty cool. I get stopped wherever I go. We went to Laconia last year and I had a bunch of folks snapping pics of it. We're going back to Laconia in June. We ride the Adirondacks through NY, the Greens through Vermont, and the Whites through New Hampshire. It's a great two weeks.

The funniest incident ever was on the Blueridge Parkway. We're pulled off at an overlook. A van pulls over. Mom. dad, and the kids all pile out. Mom has a camera. She completely ignores dad and the kids, walks over to my bike, and starts snapping pictures. We busted out laughing.

But I didn't do it for anyone else. I planned what I wanted to do for two years and then did it all at once. It's finished. I'm not driving myself nuts doing it piecemeal over years.

Only shame is, we bumped the engine up so much that it gets 24mpg. It's fast but I guess I'll just have to get a Street Glide for touring out west.




The only question I saw that needed answering was answered with this post:

arclite
3:24:02 PM
2/06/10


Still haven't been able to find records for those Campbells, have ya? Have you gone down to the records office? Does Alabama keep records or would that be too incriminating?

Let me know when you can answer my question. I'll hold my breath until then.”

“arc, those graduation rates are based on teh Shula years where most anything having to do with discipline was optional. Here is 09. 2010 will be better as the results of the discipline Saban instills continues to take hold. http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/6208/a-look-at-sec-graduation-rates”

“Those saddlebags do a good job of protecting the paint when you lay it down? *grin*”

“arc - Greg McElroy is currently an applicant for a Rhodes scholarship. He purposely waited a year to apply so that if he won one he wouldn't have to give up his senior year of football.”

“Those saddlebags will be pricey to replace themselves. I don't even want to think about the custom paint job.

I've NEVER laid it down, Opie. But it's just a matter of time. That's not pessimism, but over 40 years worth of riding experience talking.




Dayhiker, when you look at the historical graduation rates at Alabama over time, they've done a nice job of improvement.

It's about time you momma's boys gave up your shameful past and started to understand the mission of a university.”

“Hey Nigal, go big blue!

”

“Hey, dayhiker:

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php

Very impressive, although you probably already knew that.



Source: UF hires NFL assistant as defensive coordinator
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20100211/ARTICLES/100219895/1136?Title=Source-UF-hires-NFL-assistant-as-defensive-coordinator

It's Déjà Vu all over again. I've got a bad feeling about this.”

“thanks for the link


You dodged a bullet by not hiring Charlie Harbison. Coach Cheese coached DB's at Bama under Dubose. Our DB's were awful. He was later taken off the field and put into an admin positin at LSU. Read that again, Les Miles thought he was a bad coach.”

“Arc, why is it when you have a coach who has "sucked big time" he seems to keep getting hired by other teams?”

“arclite - I was in Cardiology West last Tuesday for a Nuclear Test. It is a branch of Shands, but is a little distance away from the main Hospital Building. That is why I did not notify you about my appointment. Best wishes.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nuclear-stress-test/MY00994

I understand that I have two more days of testing for various diseases and as a basis for comparisons during the next year. Then I should be ready for the insertion of stem cells, if I am approved.”

“Hey, you geniuses do know it's basketball season, don't you???
Please proceed to the basketball thread post haste and begin to write your odes to Jayhawk greatness.”

“Batsketsball? WTFIT?”

“Is it something like hockney?”

“You are excused, Gojo. I realize that some regions of the country are more deprived than others.”

“Slim, if you've got some time, maybe we could go out to eat somewhere. I know a great place where they make their grits using heavy cream. But maybe "heart-attack-in-a-bowl" is a bad idea.

Gainesville is full of heart healthy eating places. I know, I'm reducing my blood pressure and cholesterol for health reasons too. Oatmeal and pills for breakfast...yu-uuummy! Ain't gettin' old grand? 352-332-4098




“Arc, why is it when you have a coach who has "sucked big time" he seems to keep getting hired by other teams?”

Listen up lil' chillens: even our toss-offs are better than most folk's head coaches. It's a burden we live with having the best program in the nation.

Don't argue 'cause homey doan play dat.”

“Yeah, your coaches must be dang good at Gatorville. Look at how your quarterback succeeded in sensitivity training.”

“And here I thought it was all those "liberal" groups who want to censor him that need sensitivity training. What was I thinking?

You can never have enough political indoctrination through thought control sensitivity training, I say. Especially when leftists are doing the censorship and thought control.”

“Crap! You're the last guy I thought would play the "victim" card, Arc. I am glad, though, that you admit that us libbies control your puppet strings.”

“And here I thought we were talking about Tim Tebow and how some fascists were insensitively trying to take away his second amendment rights, not mine.

Go figure.

Me, a victim? BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHA!


You are my master fer shur... Feed me Seymour, feed me.”

“Hello Teabag Boy. :P”

“Taking a break from self-abuse, huh?




The NCAA Football Rules Committee has shown its fascist colors. In a move bound to please leftists, who have continuously been outraged by Tim Tebow's use of biblical verses on his eye black, they've ruled:

Requiring players who wear "eye black" to use solid black with no words, logos, numbers or other symbols. That will be effective next season.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/02/12/rule.changes.ap/index.html


There's nothing like a little healthy censorship to please the leftists. How dare someone express an opinion that offends them? Hate crimes, politically correct speech codes, and blatant censorship...

The Constitution is merely a "living", Darwinian, rough sketch of ideas to be molded as they see fit.


Long live the Fatherland, comrades!”

“http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/mar/01/citadel-qb-being-held-jail/

Amateur.....He would never have had any legal "problems" if he had gone to UT.”

“Trouble in paradise? http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-bianchi-urban-meyer--fowler-0325-20100325,0,3856173.column”

“Don't start with the yet. Purdue is still playing basketball!”

“BIG trouble in hell:


Alabama university shooting: Professor charged over triple campus murder

A biology professor who was denied a promotion has been charged with murder after three people died in a shooting at the University of Alabama.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7026077.ece




Alabama's penalty from '09 ruling stands

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- The NCAA has denied Alabama's appeal of a ruling vacating 21 football victories from 2005 to 2007 and records from three other sports for widespread violations involving free textbooks.”

“Arclite, the shooting was at UAHuntsville. They have a hockey team, no football whatsoever”

“And that has relevance because...?


Dayhiker was posting incidences of bad behavior at universities around the country wasn't he?


I mean, if he's only posting bad stuff about U Florida coaches, or misconduct at specific universities, I would think he would avoid throwing stones since he's living in a glass house. That target is much bigger than the broad side of a barn.”

“Nah, I'm just posting bad behavior at the flagship campus of UF. I think Urban is missing Tebow, the man crush is strong with that one.”

“Yea but listing UAH as having to do with UA, is like Listing FAMU as having to do with UF.”

“Does UF have branch campuses?”

“Darn right Meyer's missing Tebow.

UF does not have any branch campuses. Maybe I understand as much about Alabama's university system as you do about "flagship campuses."

OPIE made a kind comment. I would much rather be compared to FAMU than to FSU for football.

But if we're comparing academics, you've got to be joking? Even if Alabama were a member of the AAU, you still couldn't make a case.




"Just posting bad behavior at the flagship campus of UF" were you?

You must have a strong stomach then.


Mike Bianchi, who used to write for the Independent Florida Alligator (UF newsrag), and then the Gainesville Sun (local newsrag), expresses his anger that Urban Meyer doesn’t care much for the press. Go figure. The press did the same sort of hatchet job on Spurrier when they discovered he didn’t like them much either. Go figure.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-bianchi-urban-meyer--fowler-0325-20100325,0,3856173.column


Was Urban Meyer right to rip reporter?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fuego/2010/03/was-urban-meyer-right-to-rip-reporter-hear-deonte-thompson-interview.html

The journalist doesn’t think so.

But readers, by a 19-3 margin, think the journalists are sensation mongering hacks. They think Urban was within bounds.

I think Urban overreacted but it sure isn’t worth the sensation a small amount of journalistic hucksters and emotional sports morons make out of it.




But then there’s the Alabama difference:


This is starting to sound familiar.

Alabama is back on probation.

The school that prided itself on playing by the rules and never getting into NCAA trouble is now on probation for the fourth time in 14 years.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/06/alabama-goes-on-3-years-probation-for-major-violations-in-textbook-scandal.html


Alabama needs to keep this firm on retainer full-time for continued monitoring of habitual offenses:

Alabama's six-figure defense vs. NCAA
The University of Alabama athletics department spent $188,442.62 for a law firm to defend the university in its NCAA major infractions case that ended this week, a university official said today.

The NCAA Division I Infractions Appeals Committee on Tuesday upheld a ruling that vacates Alabama records due to violations involving the distribution of textbooks to 201 athletes in 16 sports. Alabama must vacate 21 football victories from 2005, 2006 and part of 2007.
http://rolltidebama.com/forum/showthread.php?71533-Alabama-s-six-figure-defense-vs.-NCAA


Alabama’s boosters are a colorful lot, especially the ones related to coaches who cheated in the past:

Son of Famed Coach Has Ties to Insurance Fraud
Paul W. Bryant Jr., the most prominent financial booster of the University of Alabama's football program, has connections to a massive insurance-fraud case that resulted in a 15-year prison sentence for a Pennsylvania man.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Son-of-Famed-Coach-Has-Tie-by-Roger-Shuler-100121-749.html


Alabama is famous:

Death penalty (NCAA)
Since the SMU case, the closest that the NCAA has come to imposing the "death penalty" against a football program was against the University of Alabama in 2002.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_%28NCAA%29#Alabama_football_.282002.29


Despite having numerous legal problems with past coaches, they now have an honest, upstanding, coach for once:

Nick Saban already linked to NCAA violations while at Alabama.
http://loserswithsocks.com/2007/07/07/nick-saban-already-linked-to-ncaa-violations-while-at-alabama-the-bear-approves/


Totally honest:

Saban denies Alabama rumors — again
Dolphins coach continues to insist he's staying in the pro ranks
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/16316572


And brilliant too:

Alabama coach still working on rival Auburn's name
http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2010-03-06/alabama-coach-still-working-on-rival-auburns-name”

“The UA system is comprised of UA in Tuscaloosa, which is the main campus, then UAH in Huntsville and UAB in Birmingham. The nutty professor was at UAH.


This current thing you're mentioning was applealed, the appeal was denied, so they're just now extending the probation. It had to do with a lack of a system for the return of textbooks. This wasn't some sinister conspiracy with boosters, etc.”