The College Football thread

“At least Virginia Tech didn't lose this weekend...”

“ARKANSAW, ARKANSAW, LOVE MY MAW, LOVE MY PAW, BUT I SURE LOVE OLD ARKANSAWWWWWWW!

PIG SOOIE BAYBE!”

“It isn't just the sports world, pedxing. I've seen many people here on this website who seem incapable of admitting mistakes. I think politicians are their role models.

Ped, why can't the bowls start in December as they already do? Some of the bowls would be playoffs. It would generate a heck of a lot more interest than many of those bowls currently do.

I liked it more when the last bowl games were January 1st. It gave the bowl season an atmosphere of finality. I'd consider moving some of the major bowls back before Christmas. That way the festive holiday atmosphere could be maintained, the kids could spend Christmas (if that's what they celebrate) with their families, the two final teams would have a week to prepare without having a huge layoff, and the college football season could end on January 1.

Special arrangements could be made for final exams. There are many solutions to that potential problem. Sure it would be tough to convince those closed-minded socialist professors to come up with a viable plan, but they could.

Of course only a liberal, a person of truly open-minded thinking, who wasn't tied to the status quo, would consider such a move. Most folks are way too conservative for such out-of-the-box thinking.

I'd be willing to sacrifice one or two regular season games for the folks who think playoffs would add too many games. An 8 team playoff would only be two more games than any bowl-bound team currently plays.

I don't hear many people make the too many games argument with college basketball. Football lasts three months. Basketball lasts five months. I miss the inconsistent logic involved.

I'd like to see college football last a full four months instead of the current layoff before the bowls. But then, I'm a liberal. Not many people are.
last edited: 10/13/08 6:52:53 PM”

“I see arclite still incorrectly calls himself a liberal when, in the United States, he should be using the modern term, "classic liberal", of which the distinction is great.
last edited: 10/13/08 6:51:48 PM”

“>Subject: Auburn planning stadium expansion
>
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>According to university spokesman Quinton Riggins, Auburn plans to
>expand its stadium by adding 12 new high capacity outflow stadium
>exits. The expansion will more than double current capacity in terms of
>fans leaving the stadium in mass which has become a major safety
>hazard, especially at the beginning of the third quarter of recent
>games. In an additional safety measure, all roads leading to the
>stadium will be converted to
"contra-flow"
>with all lanes heading away from the stadium beginning shortly after
>halftime. Our goal is to make the Auburn War Eagle experience safe,
>convenient and enhance the current need for early termination.
>At the request of season ticket holders, booster, alumni and donors,
>home seating will be relocated to the West side of the stadium facing
>the team, instead of directly behind the team. This measure in response
>to complaints that the coaches and assistants evidently could not see
>the various signs and hand gestures being displayed by its top supporters.
>Alumni Association has announced that the Auburn jet has been upgraded
>with additional fuel capacity for certain unscheduled upcoming trips.
>If you are holding tickets to upcoming games you may now trade 5
>tickets to an Auburn game to Guthries and you will receive a free order
>of fries with your regular order of chicken fingers."”

“go Penn State!”

“I'm glad for Penn State. I was kind of hoping they'd win because Michigan's seasons already in the crapper and PS has the best shot at representing the Big Ten. It was a good game untill the third and Michigan crumbled.”

“I see Hiker1984 gets his inspiration from George Orwell.


Penn St./Ohio St. should be a good-un.”

“Sweet! Next up, the Buckeyes.

Army lost, so the world has been turned right side up again. It's safe to send the kids out for Halloween.”

“In the SEC, even the refs get in on the action: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Welcome-to-the-SEC-Stephen-Garcia-Signed-your?urn=ncaaf,115984”

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“Roll Tide.”

“oh god, the one thread I can't take part in”

“Does that mean you can take part in the knickers thread?”

“The Wolfpack suck so I can't hang out in here.

I don't suck so knickers is ok.”

“I don't suck so knickers is ok.�
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Do we have our first out of context quote?”

“My three college teams won:

Army
Penn State
Virginia

The Flyers won two; the Phillies won two, the Eagles won.

What a weekend in Philly sports.”

“Looky here, dayhiker! I haven't been banned afterall.


Bwaaaaahahahaha... Let the carnage begin again.


FLORIDA/JAWJA-
It looked as though this intense rivalry might lose some luster earlier in the year.

HUGE! This game is just huge! The winner may have a great chance at the MNC game.

How can the voters choose Alabama? They've had a tradition of mediocrity for 15 years.”

“arclite, did you guys lose to ole piss?

Uncle Dunny, must be something in the names because Kansas & Arkansas stink. Tenneesee does too.

We must make a sacrifice to the football gods so that Bama or the Gators don't win.”

“ok, so im going to be a bandwagoneer here, but

WOOHOO GO BALL STATE! 8 AND OH BAYBEE!!!!”

“Go Penn State!!”

“bandwagoneers band together!”

“Thanks for fixing the internet again, crash.”

“Arky, I was having a conversation about footballapalooza with dayhiker Saturday. He said the trip you went on together was a blast. He said good things about you. He also mentioned that you don't post here anymore.

Now here you are shooting from the hip. I don't care if you insult the GATORS. I understand that's just sour grapes after having the best, and classiest, team in the nation stomp your behind in two SEC Championship games (both of which I was at thankyouverymuch).

But how can you insult those pathetic boys from Bama after dayhiker said such nice things about you? Bama has been so pitiful for so long you could at least try to be nice. Don't you feel the least bit ashamed? What are you, a pig?”

“I'd like to see Penn State and Alabama in the championship game.”

“I'd like to see Penn State and Alabama in the championship game.�
Nigal
4:30:23 AM
10/28/08

I would too. arc's head might explode if two teams with actual tradition matched up.




It'll be pretty amazing if Texas runs the table after beating 4 straight top 10 teams. That almost sounds like a Big 11 schedule, I tell ya.”

“arc, dayhiker knows I'm joshin' about the Bama boys.

dayhiker, how's cocoa taking the Auburn nosedive?”

“He shakes his head in disbelief each Monday morning. I've been there and done that for a decade. It sucks.”

“It's been a fine tradition of pathetic mediocrity for both teams, dayhiker.

It would be nice to see some new blood.

And then there's Bama's wonderful tradition of graduating its athletes. Why don't you regale us with that glory?




I'm afraid, however, that Bama/Penn State would be disastrous for the dink 10 once again. Three different SEC MN Champions in three years? I'd love to hear nowslimmer's comments if that happens.




One step at a time boys. Dayhiker and Arky need to be out mowing the yard while the rest of the college football nation watches one of the most anticipated games of the year. EVERYONE marked this one down at the beginning of the year.




Where's gojo? Good Lord he's got to like his team's chances this year. After we all got to hear how Jawja really was the best team in the nation last year and with the preseason #1 ranking and all.”

“I suspect that our graduation rates will be rising as high as poll #'s now that we have a leader at the helm of the football program.

As far as mediocrity goes, the coaches revolving door AND our incarcaration with the NCAA had a little something to do with that. Don't give me the tired, "Bama runs off it's coaches," line. We both know that's not true in this situation.”

“Never said it was.

What is true is that Bama has a tradition of mediocrity and poor graduation rates.


Let's ALSO not forget that, as good as the many teams of the SEC have been over the years, Bear Bryant really put the SEC on the map of national awareness. ROLL TIDE!

Take THAT! You prideful tidy sicko!”

“I'll have to take issue with the mediocrity.”

“It'll be pretty amazing if Texas runs the table after beating 4 straight top 10 teams. That almost sounds like a Big 11 schedule
, I tell ya.”
dayhiker
4:27:52 AM
10/28/08

One can hope. The Cowboys sure gave me a scare and in Austin, too. It makes for some worry about what'll happen in Lubbock. Right now four of the top ten are in the Big 12 south.

I agree with Nigal and Dayhiker about Alabama - Penn St. being a great game, but I'm not pulling for them to both be in the title game. I'd like to see Alabama and UT stay undefeated and play for the title.

Even though Penn has a much easier schedule, it would a pity if they stayed undefeated and didn't get a shot at the title. I guess that's another reason to have more than one BCS playoff game.
last edited: 10/29/08 8:46:31 AM”

“I don't expect Bama to make it through LSU, Auburn, then probably UF in the SECCG undefeated, but if it happens I'll take it. If it happens, we'll deserve to be in the title game. Our SOS is surprisingly low. Who would've thought preseason top 10 Clemson, and top 25 UT would wind up sucking?”

“PS, I'd like to play UT if we make it that far. I believe we're O-fer against Texas. There are about 5 teams Bryant never beat. Texas is one of them. I know ND and Bama are on the list too. He coached against Bama several times at other destinations.”

“I'm not sure why you are worried about Auburn at home. Obviously you've watched them more closely than I have. I know they struggled at home against a couple mediocre teams earlier this month. I'm sure the SECCG and playing at LSU will be tough.

As a kid, Bryant's Tide was one of my favorite teams for TV rooting along with McKay's Trojans and Royal's Horns. The only college team I saw much in person as a kid was Harvard and they looked like a High School team compared to the teams I saw on TV (though they have gotten weaker with each passing decade).”

“We've lost 6 in a row to Auburn. 2 times we were pretty heavy favorites. I think we'll win, but until the streak is over I won't really feel confident about it.”

“Please be respectful, pedxing. Harvard has tradition.

So does Alabama; a tradition of mediocrity in graduation rates, and football over the past 15 years. They have a tradition of finishing poorly in the polls over that time and they have a tradition of losing to Florida in the SEC Championship game. So many traditions, so little time...

If Texas makes it undefeated, they'll certainly have earned it. I like the play in the Big 12 this year. That's a wild and woolly conference with a number of good teams. Good luck with the rest of the season. But from what I've seen, luck is playing very little part in the way Texas is playing. I'm happy, and happy for ya. HOOK 'EM HORNS (with a mutated Spock sign, but almost as hard)!




Here's how I see it dayhiker:

First off, Bama has used up all its "sneaking up on an opponent" mojo this year. Nobody took them for real in the beginning. Now they're not fooling anyone. It's target time baby.

Auburn is a rivalry game and you've always got to worry about rivalry games. However, this year Auburn is playing pathetically especially on offense. Their confidence is down. I think that losing six in a row works in Bama's favor. Nobody wants to leave school never having beaten his main rivals. I think it will take at least until next year for Auburn to iron out their problems. As it now stands, I like Bama in this one, by a 14 point margin.

LSU isn't as good as advertised. Make no mistake, LSU will have its back against the wall when Bama comes to play. But at least the game is at 3:30 so the fans won't be nearly as drunk (one can only hope) and obnoxiously loud. This game worries me but, if the players get really up for it (think Ol' Nick can manage that?), I like their chances. I'll call this Bama by a point as of now.

In the SEC Game, Georgia would be fired up again, but Bama matches up well with them. At least that's what it looks like from experience. I like Bama's chances there.

Florida may be a problem. If it's true that the offense (which was so highly regarded preseason) is consistently clicking now, watch out! But can Florida maintain it's, so far, mostly stellar defense? Florida's defensive line is young and hasn't generated much pass rush. Florida's backs are young studs. We'll see how these young guys hold up against Stafford and the Georgia receivers this week. Florida has done a good job stopping the run so far but how will they do against a completely balanced attack? Alabama has a nicely balanced offense. I think Georgia will be a good barometer for how Bama could win against Florida, if Florida should win Saturday.

It seems strange not to be talking about Tennessee this year. But I'm not going there. I don't wanna heap manure on a dead body.

I think Bama stands a decent chance of making the MNC Game this year. If not, don't be discouraged. There's always next year...and the year after that... Bama's tradition of mediocrity probably won't last forever, nothing does.
last edited: 10/29/08 2:55:09 PM”

“That's pretty much how I see things panning out for Bama. There is a real chance it could happen. If not, well, I saw them at 8-4 this year so we're ahead of schedule. 09 will be a small step backwards due to losses at LT, C, RG, RT, and QB on O. Our D will lose 2 I think. On second thought, mabye we won't take a step back.


I forgot that you define tradition as the last 20 years. My bad, yes, we have a tradition of mediocrity dating all the way back to 97.

Bama is still smarting from the 96 SECCG. That cost us a shot to play for the MNC. We were undefeated going into that game and lost by something like a FB. Spurrier had Stallings number for sure. I did enjoy Bama beating SOS 2x in 99 though even if it was with the clueless Mike Dubose at the helm.”

“Thanks for fixing the internet again, crash

you aint seen nothin, yet. the best is yet to come”

“Harvard does have football tradition. They played (and lost) the first ever football game right here in Cambridge and did go on to win 10 national championships (though they hit a dry spell early in Woodrow Wilson's second term). Also, there is something to be said for amateur version of the sport.

When I was a kid, my Dad used to take me to all the Harvard home games and I got to see one of the best football games of all time - the "Harvard beats Yale" 29-29 game back when future pro-bowler Calvin Hill (and the next years NFL Rookie of the Year) and Doonesbury comic strip immortal Brian Dowling were playing for Yale.
last edited: 10/29/08 5:17:50 PM”

“Tennessee has gone so far down hill that even arclite ignores them.”

“Dayhiker, I don’t define tradition as the last 10, 15, or twenty years. The word is defined thusly:

A set of such customs and usages viewed as a coherent body of precedents influencing the present.

You’re the one who keeps wanting to set arbitrary numbers. What the heck kind of engineer are you anyway?


So tell us gramps, how many MN Championships has Bama won since you graduated? How many SEC Championships? Tell us what it was like to attend those Bear Bryant games with the rest of your classmates.

What, you never experienced that? Don’t tell us you’re licking somebody else’s coat tails, dayhiker. Say it ain’t so. What about YOUR tradition with Bama?

Look, maybe you’re having trouble with this concept because you have no tradition as an American. Because your family got off the banana boat 100 years after this country was first invaded by Europeans. Most people will understand. We all know that anybody whose ancestors weren’t living here before (let’s pick some arbitrary number) the year 1400 has no tradition as an American.

Alabama has a fifteen year tradition of winning the SEC a grand total of…wait for it…ONCE! Some tradition. Since all the teams in the SEC started having a legitimate shot at each other, since the start of the SEC Conference Championship Game and the naming of a legitimate SEC champion in 1992, Alabama has a tradition of winning the SEC a grand total of…wait for it…TWICE! Some tradition.

If we want more examples of Alabama’s tradition, we could count up top 20 finishes, and the average ranking of those finishes, over the past 30 years. Can you say mediocre? I knew you could.

PUH…THEH…TIK!




Sorry pedxing, that’s not quite the traditional viewpoint. The first college football game ever was played in New Brunswick, NJ. between Rutgers University and Princeton. You’re starting to sound as confused as dayhiker. Apparently he heard tall tales from his Uncle "Bull" Connor and look what it got him. You don’t want to be so totally confused you don’t remember a fifteen year tradition of mediocrity, do you?

But yes, Harvard has won a lot of national championships. Yale has won the most national championships of any college football program. Rutgers won the first college football game 6-4. Minnesota won the first AP popularity poll national championship. Thank God we didn’t have to listen to their tradition drivel when those teams didn’t win anything more than one conference championship for 15 years.




Chili, my sweetheart, you know I can’t ignore you. Heck boy, you blot out the sun. Nobody could ignore you. It’s just so God awful for Tennessee right now that I can’t bear to look. I’ve got an idea, why don’t you tell us all about Tennessee’s tradition. I’ll be amused if nothing else.
last edited: 10/29/08 8:23:30 PM”

“So what is with the obsession with Bear Bryant arc? You seem to blame dayhiker for living off his glory but I can't even remember seeing him bring it up. As opposed to you bringing him up every other post.”

“Today at a press conference Coach Rodriguez was asked what he planned to do to salvage the worst season Michigan football has seen in decades he simply replied, "Pull my finger.".

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“I know the definition of tradition. You're the one that keeps using the example of the last 15 years. I'm glad you looked the definition up so that now you'll know it.

As far as champsionships go since I've been aware of football, well, I do remember being at the bonfire for HC in 78 or 79, so I'm vaguely aware of the NC's those years. I lived in Tuscaloosa then, btw, so not quite the watching from a far sort of thing. I vividly remember 89. We tied for the SEC championship that year and went to the Sugar Bowl. 1990 had Stallings show up. I was on campus for the 92 MNC. I was also on campus for the defeats against UF in the SECCG on too many occaisions. I guess that means I was around to really enjoy and be apart of 89, 92, and 99 SEC championships to go along with 10+ win seasons in 89, 91, 92, 94, 96, 99, 02, 05, and now in 08. I previously stated UF cost us a shot at a NC in 96, it was 94. We were 12-1 that year. I can also point to a good many losing or even records over those years.

Nigal, thanks for pointing out that I'm the one NOT mentioning CPB. arc likes to always talk about how introspective and self examing of his own behavior that he is. He should be aware that, that awareness doesn't involve sports and that his behavior on this thread is the primary reason that there are only about 5 people still posting on it.

Roll Tide Roll!”

“Nigal, are you advocating that people advocating change merely for the sake of change may, in fact, not wind up with what they were expecting? Interesting concept. Evidently, 55% of US voters don't get that idea. 8)”

“Arc - if you're talking the 1869 Rutgers Princeton game. That was European "football" - aka soccer. People weren't allowed to carry or hold the ball.

The first American intercollegiate game by the "Boston" rules which allowed carrying the ball, was played by Harvard. The first game between two American colleges with the ball being carried was played by Harvard and lost to Tufts.

OK - we could go on about what makes American football American football (and not soccer or rugby). Was it the line of scrimmage? Was it limits on downs? And yeah, I could be called biased in choosing a distinction that supports my local claim. If you argue that the 1874 games weren't football yet, I can respect your point if it is based on a clear definition of football. However, there is no way I'm going to call a game where you aren't allowed to run with the ball in your hands, American "football."”

“Nigal, pay attention now and go back to read the posts from this year and years back. Dayhiker first brought the subject up and has brought it up a number of times.

It’s probably because he can’t deal with the pain of personally having a college football tradition of mediocrity that he feels the need to dredge up someone else’s tradition.


If I were to say, Bama has a tradition of playing poorly over the past 5 years, dayhiker would probably say “That’s nothing, Bama has tradition.”

If I were to say, Bama has a tradition of playing poorly over the past 10 years, dayhiker would probably say “That’s nothing, Bama has tradition.”

When I have said, Bama has a tradition of playing poorly over the past 15 years, dayhiker has said “Bama has tradition” as if that's a good thing for him.

And when I have said, Bama has a tradition of not playing as well as Florida over the past 30 years, dayhiker has said “Bama has tradition” as if that's a good thing for him.


Dayhiker really doesn’t understand the difference between history and tradition. So I love to keep making fun of his thick-as-a-brick thinking. Some people's thinking is worth making fun of over and over and over ...


Greece has a history of bringing enlightenment to the world and of being a world leader. Now Greece is socialist and doesn’t have much to offer in terms of enlightenment to the world nor is it a world leader. Mostly they offer mediocrity. Nobody says Greece still HAS a tradition of excellence. They HAD a tradition of excellence. Now they’ve got history.

Italy (specifically Rome) has a history of bringing cutting edge technology to the world and of being a world leader. Now Italy is socialist and doesn’t have much to offer in terms of cutting-edge technology nor is it a world leader. Mostly they offer mediocrity. Nobody says Rome still HAS a tradition of excellence. They HAD a tradition of excellence. Now they’ve got history.

England has a history of bringing education to the world and of being the world’s most powerful nation. Now England is socialist and doesn’t have much to offer in terms of education (Unless you count the fact that socialism destroys great countries. But many people don't bother to learn this educational lesson) nor is it the world’s most powerful nation. Nobody says England still HAS a tradition of excellence. They HAD a tradition of excellence. Now they’ve got history.

Yale has a history of being a winning college football team. Yale doesn’t have that winning tradition anymore. Only a fool says Yale still HAS a winning tradition. They HAD a winning tradition. Now they’ve got history.



Bama has a history of being a winning college football team. Bama hasn’t had much to offer but mediocrity for 15 years. Only a fool still says Bama HAS a winning tradition. They HAD a winning tradition. Now they’ve got history.

The world is not static, it changes. History is fixed but traditions change. So what arbitrary number will dayhiker figure constitutes a tradition? 5 years? 10 years? 15 years? 30 years? We haven’t reached the limit of his foolishness yet because Alabama has had a tradition of mediocrity for at least 15 years while he keeps talking about its tradition as if that's a good thing for him.

I merely act as a mirror, Nigal. I wouldn’t bring up this ridiculous nonsense if dayhiker wouldn’t keep repeating the same tired old mantra again and again. Do you expect different results?


“I'd like to see Penn State and Alabama in the championship game.”
Nigal
4:30:23 AM
10/28/08


"I would too. arc's head might explode if two teams with actual tradition matched up."

dayhiker
4:27:52 AM
10/28/08
last edited: 10/30/08 9:02:13 AM”

“I know one thing. I don't have to pay for this entertainment.

By the way Chili, I feel your pain.”