The College Football thread

“I can find stats to support SEC being a stronger conference and also stats that support my feeling. How do you want to measure? I prefer to blindly take on the mob mentality and just support my beliefs when it comes to college football. Im suprised we havent heard arguements for the MAC the PAC the WAC and the other Bigs. Anyway it is fun to argue with people from other places. I have lived all over the country but Ive always kept the Buckeyes first even though Ive picked quite a few others along the way. I love the sport and its overall effect on people. GO BUCKS!!!!”

“biggun - you'll save yourself lots of typing and research if you go back and read the thread. arc had this same argument about 3 years ago when this discussion started. You can also see what he'll say in response to any stat you're likely to show.”

“Thanks for the advise dayhiker.”

“I sure hope the Hokies beat Florida State on Saturday. We're ranked higher, but we have not beat them in like the last 11 games we have played against them. Makes me a little nervous.

I wonder if Miami is still licking the wounds from Ga Tech. Ouch!

GO VIRGINIA TECH!!”

“Hey, forgot to mention that I saw Sen. John Kerry at the Stanford/ND game over the weekend. I saw a little crowd gathered around someone outside the stadium, and I thought it might be John Elway or Jim Plunkett, who were there for the final game at that stadium, but I got near them and saw it was Kerry. Turns out he is apparently old friends with one of the player's dad, so was invited to the game. He was just shaking a few hands and chatting with people - looked pretty laid back.”

“I understand now, biggun: You expect Tennessee to be good and you are an OSU fan. That explains your skewed view.

Warning: I do an incredibly obnoxious sportsfan shtick on this thread every year. Please try not to be offended as I make a complete idiot out of myself sometimes.

Disclaimer: The following stats are all true.



I agree with you when you say:

“The only way to measure conference strength in the old days was a few non conference games.”

And that’s why the Almanac actually does mean something. You see, the Almanac is full of facts and statistics.

In the old days, before “liberals” moved the national dialog to an emotionally charged opinion parade, facts and statistics were actually helpful.

When people use logic instead of emotion, they use the scientific method to prove their points. The scientific method has four steps:

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.


Logical people start with a postulate and then form a hypothesis. Then they gather data. This data will either prove or disprove the hypothesis.


The “liberal” method of inquiry goes something like this:

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Become emotionally excited (either angry or deliriously happy) about the phenomena.

3. Gather all data that supports the hypothesis and ignore all data that conflicts with it.

4. Form an unflinching belief in the moral rightness of the hypothesis and in the moral degradation of all those who disagree it.


"Liberals" start with a postulate. Since the postulate has already been proven, what need is there for conflicting facts?




I just love doing that.




Biggun, if you read the Almanac, you will find that it has a record of all bowl games. If you look at the bowl games that were played between schools from different conferences, you will accumulate numbers on wins and losses. If you then add these numbers, you will find that the SEC has a winning record against every single conference in the nation.


Here are some other fun facts (unfortunately my info is a year old):


NON-CONFERENCE RECORDS (1990-2003)
SEC- 451-167-5 (.723)
Big 12- 263-119-0 (.688)
Pac 10- 337-183-3 (.644)
ACC- 319-172-4 (.644)
Big 10- 372-200-6 (.643)
Big East- 303-218-3 (.578)


BOWL RECORDS BY CONFERENCE OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS
SEC- 35-23 (.603)
ACC- 23-19 (.547)
Big East- 19-17 (.527)
Big 10- 27-25 (.519)
Big 12- 25-29 (.462)
Pac 10- 19-24 (.441)


TOTAL BOWL APPEARANCES BY CONFERENCE
SEC- 331
Big 12- 281
Big 10- 205
Pac 10- 199
ACC- 185
Big East- 130


2003 ATTENDANCE LEADERS
SEC- 6,146,890
Big 10- 5,264,867
Big 12- 4,565,288
Pac 10- 3,199,732
ACC- 3,012,392
Big East- 2,390,538


CONFERENCES WITH MOST NFL PLAYERS
SEC- 263
Big 10- 207
Pac 10- 191
Big 12- 187
ACC- 144
Big East- 132


NFL FIRST ROUND DRAFT CHOICES
SEC- 111
Big 10- 102
Pac 10- 79
Big East- 75
Big 12- 69
ACC- 56
last edited: 12/01/05 4:43:04 PM”

“The beauty of narrow mindedness is one doesnt see it any other way.


I dont classify myself as a liberal or a conservative. Both are too hasty of generalization. But is self propagation part of human nature?


I said the things I said to incite people and it was a success. College football does that to people.

where is the stat for how many of the nfl players flopped?

How many of the bowl games were teams that were "lesser teams" conference matchups?(ie. third in the SEC vs third in the Big 12)

Like I said it is all how you choose to define strength. I define strength as: a physical property of power that is how biggun defines it and chooses to use it in an attempt to incite others.


When people use logic instead of emotion, they use the scientific method to prove their points. The scientific method has four steps:


When applying the scientfic method to extrapolate human behavior, one will find that the most complicated theorems are not sufficient (as the human brain does not consistently respond to the same stimului in a predictable path).

"past performance is no guarantee of future result"

How many Big Ten national champs vs Sec? (27-16)

How many of your stats come from before and after the southern conference split into the SEC and the ACC?


Oh and no offense taken. It is fun to argue opinion.”

“Arclite was on a real role until he digressed into that "liberal" is bad bull#&%!$.”

“Where did you get 16 SEC NC's. I can think of many more than that.”

“Ya liked the part about Tennessee didn't ya, chili?



Past Division I-A Football National Champions

The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football and is not involved in the selection process. Since 1998, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) operated jointly by the ACC, Southeastern, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten and Pacific-10 Conferences has used a ranking system to determine the number one and number two teams at the end of the season. These two teams play each other in a post-season bowl game for the BCS national championship. Below is a year-by-year history of Division I-A football national champions as determined by various organizations:

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html



1992
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NY Times, Sporting News, UPI/NFF, USA/CNN

Florida St.: Sagarin

1993
Auburn: National Championship Foundation*

Florida St.: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, National Championship Foundation*, NY Times, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN ,USA/NFF

1996
Florida: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, NFF, Sagarin, Sporting News, USA/CNN, NY Times, National Championship Foundation, Dunkel, Matthews, DeVold

Florida St.: Alderson

1998
Ohio St.: Sagarin

Tennessee: Alderson, AP, BCS, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Seattle Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN

2003
LSU: BCS, Billingsley, Colley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, Massey, NFF, Sagarin, Seattle Times, USA/ESPN

Southern California: AP, Eck, Matthews, NY Times





Since the sportswriters are all talking about USC going for four, they must take some of these other organizations seriously.

Many people thought that 12-0 Auburn should have been playing USC in 2004 instead of Oklahoma.

Georiga has spent most of 2005 in the top ten before losing to SEC schools Florida and Auburn.

Florida has maintained its strong rankings even while playing a full schedule of SEC team AND national power FSU every year.




So since 1992, the SEC has had 5 DIFFERENT teams win some sort of mythical national championship. If you discount Auburn in 1993, it is still recognized that they have been near the top of the football rankings at some points during this time, and so has Georgia.


SEC vs SEC games are among the most competitive in the nation. In 2004, 49 SEC vs SEC games had an average scoring margin of 15.29 points per game. 42.8 percent were decided by 10 points or less. Only 14 SEC games have been decided by more than 21 points. That tradition continues.




“Top to bottom, the SEC is the strongest league, thanks to the overall athleticism on each team. Simply put, the SEC has the best collection of athletes in any league outside the NFL.”

The Sporting News




So how many Different teams from the Puny 10 have won championships over the past 20 years, biggun?

Can you say, "I was wrong"?




I didn't think so.
last edited: 12/02/05 7:18:17 AM”

“dayhiker

Thanks for that story. It was great. Really.

Are you serious asking who was the first person to think it was good idea to eat that part of an animal?

A hungry slave who was denied the choicer parts of the animal, that's who.

What kind of explanations did you get as an innocent child? Oh well son, those black people just prefer to eat intestines. Go figure.

My depression era grandfather would always boast that the chicken neck and back were the best.”

“African Americans who live up north (and elsewhere) refer to chitlins and such as "soul food" because these foods are symbolic of the struggle to survive under harsh conditions, being left the intestines of animals to eat among other indignities. Call it making lemonade out of lemons. Imagine yourself living under such conditions.

Now I realize that you yourself have nothing to do with that past history, but it doesn't hurt to open your mind and face reality. You naive comment was harmless, but still I find it strange. What other fantasies were you told as wee little guy?

Also, to jump in on this discussion of football conference superiority, how about looking at the acomplishments of the SEC vs the Big Ten, etc. before y'all allowed African Americans to play the game with the white boys? Seems to me that you guys were pretty ordinary (ya sucked)until you let those fellas play too. Those guys go from being n_ggers to heros in a short period of time. Same thing for basketball.”

“First, yes, that was a naive comment as I've never considered where that practice first came from. Your explanation makes sense. I was mainly being a smart aleck with my comments. Thanks for taking them so seriously.

As far as sucking in football before integration, we have 12 NC's, 4 came after integration. We were pretty good before. It's said that Bryant scheduled USC in 71 specifically so that we WOULD get our butt kicked and open up the doors. Supposedly, Sam "Bam" Cunningham, RB, USC did more for integration at UA than anything else. That may be true.”

“Arc they're tough. Is that what you wanted I never doubted that. (The count was from polling national champions currently in the SEC discounting those who left the southern for the ACC in 1920.) college football database from Jeff Howell. When I get more time I'll figure how to post the link and you can check all kinds of stats. Then youll really be armed to fight this fight. Bottom line you want to talk about now? how many top ten BCS teams you got? we have the 6 and 3 spot. you have the 4 and 10 spot.

So, whos yo daddy now?

just kiddin.”

“how far will LSU drop when the Dawgs come in and beat 'em?”

“Try to be nice to me will ya?




The ONLY team from the ACC that was formerly in the SEC is Georgia Tech. When the SEC decided to lead the way in creating a conference championship, they picked up Arkansas (formerly of the Big-8) and South Carolina (formerly of the ACC). Some conferences are so slow and stupid as to not understand the concept that a conference championship is a precursor to a better system than the BCS.

Losing Georgia Tech and picking up Arkansas and South Carolina does not improve SEC stats nearly as much as when the Dink-10 picked up Penn. St. Without the Penn. St. stats, the Weeny-10 would have some of the worst stats of any conference.

The Big Ten was originally called the Intercollegiate Conference of Faculty Representatives, better known as the Western Conference. There were 7 original members. After admitting Indiana, Iowa, and Ohio St. they were unofficially called the Big 10 until the withdrawal of Chicago in 1939, after which they began calling themselves the Big 9. Michigan St. joined the conference in 1953, but it was not until 1984 that the conference officially became the Big 10 (showing an early propensity for confusion with numbers). After admitting Penn. St. in 1990, they still call themselves the Big-10, continuing a long tradition of an inability to count.




Top 25 All-Time Best Win Percentage Division I-A Teams

SEC 6 teams
Tiny-10 3 teams


Top 25 All-Time Most Victories Division I-A Teams

SEC 6 teams
Bad-10 4 teams


Top 25 All-Time Most Bowl Appearances Division I-A Teams

SEC 8 teams
Fag-10 3 teams


Head-to-Head All-Time SEC/Incompetent-10 Bowl Match-ups

SEC- 25 wins
Puny 10- 14 wins



A winning percentage such as this is impressive to anyone but you, biggun. I know this must be extremely difficult for you to understand, but you’ll need to have studied more than addition and subtraction to understand these concepts.

Biggun, I find it impressive that you possess enough functional literacy to communicate your dysfunction thoughts on this thread. And I find it even more impressive that you have been exposed to the writings of George Orwell. You are obviously a believer in Newspeak. You believe that weak=strong.




BOOO-YA!!!
last edited: 12/02/05 3:54:56 PM”

“arc, don't forget the SEC tried to get Florida State and I believe University of Miami to join the SEC. They chose not to and joined those powerhouse conferences the Big East and ACC. They knew they could continue their winning ways in those conferences and couldn't in the SEC”

“Anyone care to guess who's been to more bowls, been on TV more, and who has more 10 win seasons than anyone?”

“Again I digress where are you now?

In your own words, "da bee cee ess is da ooonlee mayzure uf nashunul champeens."

In the BCS where are you now? I do however admit that your ability to research is far past that of the Cro-magnon. I am impressed and would like to have you come up here to yankee land and be studied.

Just kidding.”

“dayhiker, I think youre leading me? Swing that yella hamma go alabama?
Roll tide roll? maybe?”

“Absolutely right, Ewker. It was obvious why they chose to go to the ACC. Heck, Florida St. NEVER lost a home game to an ACC team until this year. How many times have they won the ACC since joining?




Biggun, you may not call yourself a “liberal” but you have proven my point very nicely. I have posted many statistics and facts to provide overwhelming evidence of you being wrong. You post nothing to support your emotionally charged opinion, and you continue to ignore evidence that conflicts with your preconceived opinion.

Even after having seen that the head-to-head games are overwhelmingly in favor of the SEC, you continue to use the nanny-nanny-boo-boo line of reasoning to support your point.

Get help now. Admit yourself to the OSU Moron Rehab wing of the Weeny-10 Psychiatric Hospital. Maybe you can learn what denial is all about.




You’re not fooling anyone but yourself.
last edited: 12/05/05 6:17:41 AM”

“OUTBACK BOWL
January 2

FLORIDA vs IOWA




Lizs, I can get tickets for this game. Let me know if you’d like to come on down.

Tampa, in January, is a glorious place to watch a football game.


The last time Iowa and Florida played in the outback I really enjoyed the Iowa fans. They were extremely friendly and polite before the game, and they were the same after the game. A great group of folks to have a bowl with.




I’m buyin’ dinner (at Bern’s Steakhouse if you’d like) if you come down to Tampa. Let me know so I can get the tickets.”

“Cheapest airfare I can find to Phoenix is over $600.

Arggghhh!”

“Arc, I am playin with you. It is fun to mess around with SEC fans they are as tempermental and obnoxious as we are. ESPN radio said other than geography there is no reason OSU shouldnt be admitted to the SEC to move all the nutty fans into the same places. You got a little more serious tone now. What happened saturday? Oh looks like the BIG TEN is 3 & 4. Where did Auburn move to?”

“Rats! Penn State plays FSU in the Orange Bowl. I was hoping for Turkey Tech.”

“I'm not looking forward to playing Texas Tech. Our O can't keep up and they're bound to score some points on us.”

“Where oh where was Virginia Tech this weekend? What an awful loss. It's one thing to lose and to have played well; it's another to lose and to have not played well. Case in point - the Hokies played great against Duke in basketball, but lost by two points in the final 6/10 of a second.

I still love the Hokies though.”

“That's a Hokie thing to say.”

“LOL @ Arc: It's nice to see how the time frame for the Stats keep moving. Ttypical Objectivist twaddle!!!!

If you want to play with time frame, how is this claim: There have been more Ivy League national champions than SEC champs!!!


http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html”

“Why thanks Geo!”

“I'm totally psyched for the Rose Bowl. It's pretty much home team advantage for USC and while I'd match up Vince Young with anyone (he's got a higher QB rating than Leinhart and he's got that awesome running ability), UT does not have anyone to match up with Reggie Bush or even Lendale White. This is true both in terms of coming close on offense or stopping them on defense. Even if you include Vince Young (UT's top rusher), the top two in running yardage for the Horns barely bear out Bush. Then there is the whooping USC put on the Sooners last year.

USC has got to be the favorite, but I'll take UT and the points and hope.

Hook 'em Horns.”

“Ped, statisics were never anything you've ever cared about before, why should you start now?

Tell us all what you really thought of that hard environmental science you bought into on the ANWR thread? ...snicker...






Biggun, I never kid around. I’m as serious as a myocardial infarction.




“BIG TEN RULES COLLEGE FOOTBALL the toughest consistent conference in NCAA year in and year out.”

biggun
8:40:17 PM
11/28/05


As an OSU fan, it’s easy to understand that you never took a course in logic. Everyone here can see that the stats I posted actually show that the SEC is really the toughest consistent conference in NCAA year in and year out. And everyone (except those who've obviously smoked too many cow patties) seems to have a clue but you. So what have you put together to support your point? You did try with this lovely little nugget:


“Bottom line you want to talk about now? how many top ten BCS teams you got? we have the 6 and 3 spot. you have the 4 and 10 spot.”

biggun
8:21:12 AM
12/02/05


Let’s break down your dysfunctional excuse for an argument:

The big-10 has two teams in the BCS bowls; therefore the big-10 is the strongest league year-in-year-out.


That’s a gem of logic there.




Biggun, you may be the ONLY person in the entire country who believes that the BCS does a good job of matching the best teams in the bowls. Besides the drool inducing idiocy of that thinking, it states the following conclusion:

The conference that has had the most teams in BCS bowls this year is the toughest consistent conference in NCAA year in and year out.”


Once more you’ve been hoisted on your own petard (that’s a technical expression meaning- you’re a loser and you’re wrong again). But let’s make sure that we tweak the popularity contest that is the BCS rankings to your most favorable light. Here are the numbers of conference teams that have made the championship tier bowls :

1992 (The Bowl Coalition was formed)
Pac-10 0
Big-12 3
Big-10 0
SEC 1
ACC 1
Big East 2

Biggun says the Big-12 was the strongest conference that year.


1993
Pac-10 1
Big-12 4
Big-10 0
SEC 2
ACC 2
Big East 2

Biggun says the Big-12 was the strongest conference that year, followed by the Big East, ACC, SEC and finally the Pac-10.


1994
Pac-10 1
Big-12 4
Big-10 0
SEC 2
ACC 2
Big East 2

Biggun says the Big-12 was the strongest conference that year, followed closely by the Big East, ACC, SEC and finally the Pac-10.


1995 (The Bowl Coalition is replaced by the Bowl Alliance)
Pac-10 0
Big-12 2
Big-10 0
SEC 1
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says the Big-12 was the strongest conference that year, followed closely by the Big East, ACC, and finally the SEC.


1996
Pac-10 0
Big-12 1
Big-10 1
SEC 1
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says every conference but the Pac-10 was equally strong.


1997
Pac-10 0
Big-12 2
Big-10 1
SEC 1
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says the Big-12 was the strongest conference that year, followed closely by the Big East, ACC, Big-10, and finally the SEC.


1998 (Current BCS created)
Pac-10 1
Big-12 1
Big-10 2
SEC 2
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says the Big-10 and SEC were the strongest conferences that year.


1999
Pac-10 1
Big-12 1
Big-10 2
SEC 2
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says the Big-10 and SEC were the strongest conferences that year.


2000
Pac-10 2
Big-12 1
Big-10 1
SEC 1
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says the Pac-10 was the strongest conference that year.


2001
Pac-10 1
Big-12 2
Big-10 1
SEC 2
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says the Big-12 and SEC were the strongest conferences that year.


2002
Pac-10 2
Big-12 1
Big-10 2
SEC 1
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says the Big-10 and Pac-10 were the strongest conferences that year.


2003
Pac-10 1
Big-12 2
Big-10 2
SEC 1
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says the Big-12 and Big-10 were the strongest conferences that year.


2004
Pac-10 1
Big-12 2
Big-10 1
SEC 1
ACC 1
Big East 1

Biggun says the Big-12 was the strongest conference that year.




According to biggun’s logic, the Big-12 has been the strongest conference since the formation of the blow system.




Oh, but just for fun, let’s look at the win loss record of the conferences in those bowls:

Pac-10 8-3
Big-12 12-14
Big-10 7-6
SEC 12-6
ACC 6-9
Big East 5-11

Well it looks like the Pac-10 has the best winning percentage over that time period. Does that make them the toughest consistent conference in NCAA year in and year out?



Anyway you look at it you’re wrong. I’ve shown you to be wrong. You’ve shown you to be wrong. You’re a loser, a buffoon, and a fool. And you’re probably just as ugly as those lame OSU helmets with the little pansy flowers plastered all over.

I’d bet ya on the Puke-10/SEC match-ups this year, but it wouldn’t be any fun for me when you lose. You probably already wear a pink dress.
last edited: 12/05/05 5:52:30 PM”

“Arc: I'll believe you that the SEC was the strongest for the last 10 years when you can show me that computerized strength ratings for the SEC teams were highest on average than for any other conference. Until then, biggun is surely right!


(BTW: I took three semesters of stats, one udnergrad and 2 grad - and, where is this ANWR thread of which you speak?)”

“Oh b!tch, b!tch about what team you play in what bowl and how much the tickets are.



F*ck you, a$$holes.








Anybody see how the Lady Vols handled Stanford?”

“I don't know that biggun is correct on the others. I haven't looked at stats for the other decades, but Miami and FSU dominated the 80's and Bama dominated the 70's and early 60's.

If a womens basketball game is on TV and I don't watch it, then did it still occur?”

“And a lovely top-o'-the-morning to you too, chili.




Ped, you’ve been ignoring stats and facts as long as we’ve had conversations. You’ve also had a difficult time admitting your mistakes.

I figured you had ignored tango’s “information.” You simply made a declarative statement about her posting positive environmental evidence. It appears that you didn’t even bother to research the validity of that evidence. I called you on it and you never bothered to post back. Do your own homework thankyouverymuch.

You couldn’t admit that your logic arguments were flawed back when violin proved me wrong on our logic discussion thread many moons ago.

Do tell what research you’ve bothered to conduct about media bias and economics?

And you could have saved yourself some time by looking up a previous post I made on this thread that talked about Yale’s championships. That’s old news. And it shows the ridiculousness of mythical national championships as a determiner of current strength.




I say that mythical national championships don’t necessarily show the BEST team, but they do show strength. That is why showing how many DIFFERENT teams in a conference have won championships shows strength across the board in a conference. One or two teams winning multiple championships only shows the strength of one or two teams. It may even point to the fact that the conference as a whole is weak. It may show that other teams were so weak that the one or two teams dominate the conference.

Total bowl games shows strength throughout the years.

Non-conference winning percentages show strength between conferences. But it may also show that a conference plays weak non-conference schedule. So this statistic is not as clear as some others.

NFL players drafted shows talent levels.

Head-to-head wins over a short period of time can be a statistical anomaly. Head-to-head wins, over the entire history of record keeping, are indisputable.



I wouldn’t be foolish enough to dispute that the ACC is the strongest basketball conference. No matter how I argue the point, the facts and statistics would prove me wrong.



Ped, you selectively ignore significant statistics. I cannot imagine that you did very well in your courses.”

“Sigh - Arclite lets not pollute a good football thread with personal crap over political debates.

I can't let the reference to the logic debate slide. I searched the ANWR threads and couldn't find the debate in question, so I have to let that slide. My logic arguments convinced the people who were ready to work it out early on, because you wanted to see an authority who said it. You wouldn't trust your own mind and logic to work it out. Violin's post, proved that I was right in asserting your claim was illogical.

I'm out of this stuff now. I'm looking forward to seeing the SEC drop some bowl games.

Hook 'em horns!”

“Public Heisman voting ends tommorrow:

http://www.voteforheisman.com/index.php”

“Crap chili... you sound like me last year (and the year before that...).

I feel your pain.”

“I'm with ya there, Ped. I've always liked Texas.

HOOK 'EM HORNS!


Although, unfortunately for Texas, USC is awfully good.




This is how it played out in the SEC this year:


Alabama beat Florida and lost to Auburn

Auburn beat Georgia and lost to LSU

LSU beat Auburn and lost to Georgia

Georgia beat LSU and lost to Auburn

Florida beat Georgia and lost to LSU

South Carolina beat Florida and lost to Georgia


Even Tennessee, which had an uncharacteristically terrible year, beat LSU and lost to Vanderbilt. And Vanderbilt quite possibly would have beat Florida if not for a very questionable call.

SEC champion Georgia finished the season with two conference losses.




If some so-called “fans” from other conferences (especially those who never bother to test their college football knowledge in the football god contest) actually bothered to pay attention, they’d realize that this type of thing happens every year in the SEC. Having only one loss, let alone going undefeated, in the SEC is an incredible accomplishment.

Tell me what other conference comes close to that year after year? Tell me what other conference exemplifies the reality that any team is capable of losing to any other conference team? That is what top-to-bottom CONFERENCE strength is all about.

This was a normally balanced year in the top half of the SEC. The bottom half didn’t do as well as usual. That is why the SEC couldn’t fill all of its allotted bowl slots this year. Still, what other conference can claim that 5 teams were realistically in the running for the conference championship?

The SEC’s overwhelming lead in number of bowl games played shows its balance and non-conference winning percentage. The SEC’s long history of having a winning bowl record in games against all major conferences shows its strength relative to those conferences.

Folks, the evidence is not circumstantial, it’s overwhelming.”

“I can't wait for the buckeyes to beat the domers!”

“Arc: I agree with you, USC deserves to be the favorite here - and would even if it weren't basically a home game.

I spent 3 years at UT in the 70s and went to lots of games. I haven't seen them do this well since before I went. My only hope is that UT has a defense better than any USC has played against and that will knock 'em on their asses. Of course, UT hasn't seen an offense that good - not even close since early in the season.

On the SEC: To be honest with you. I've been impressed with how the SEC has been doing in recent years. They've got far more top 20 teams this year than anyone else. I'm surprised you aren't bragging on how well Florida teams have been doing (of course two of those teams are in the ACC). For a long time, it seemed I couldn't look at a top ten list without seeing all 3 top Florida teams there.

To really end the debate, you'd have to get people to agree on a time frame and a measure of conference strength. No question though, the SEC has been very strong.”

“BB - we agree!!!”

“...proving that if you recruit from the pre-trial intervention program, you can build one hellavagood conference.”

“Only 72 days till pitchers and catchers report!”

“spent 3 years at UT in the 70s and went to lots of games - pedx

Dang! I knew there was something about pedx I didn't like. ;-)
I lived in Knoxville from 78-82 as an MSU grad.”

“Why do you all think it's a home game for SC? The only "home" about it will be the weather... Potentially there could be more SC fans as a result of proximity, but I just don't see it...

Fight On! Bush for Heisman! Frostee for president! (ok, not that last bit. hee hee)”

“howdy arc been a while eh? I couldnt respond quick enough my real life got in the way of the virtual one. But anyway just wanted to sit you back down before you got too worked up and hurt yourself. (heard you just turned 65 or something happy b-day).

You are like the white supremisists who quote just enough of the Bible to make it look like it supports their points and then drag a corpse behind the truck sayin Jesus made me do it. You quote my admittedly blattant rambling and ignore my legitimate points, spin it around, change the wording, put words in my mouth, write four page threads, and accost me.

But hey the libel is fun to read. I can almost see your facial veins poking out while you slam your fingers into the keys.

Now, remember you said the BCS was the only measure of a champion. I said," I agree with the need for a inter-conference playoff." But I've learned that your insecurity causes you to hide behind your keyboard and change my words just enough to publicly assault me all the while hiding your inadequacy.

Again I retort, "where are you now?" That is not a question to support my previous rambling about "year in and out". That also is not rhetorical. ( which is a question that is not meant to be answered.) I know it is difficult to answer. Feel that lump in typing throat(that was a metaphor) swelling up as you try to concieve an answer? Wait, maybe you could call me a liberal? Oh no, wait, maybe you could publicly misquote me? Either will hide your inadequacy well enough.

Eagerly awaiting response, biggun”

““spent 3 years at UT in the 70s and went to lots of games - pedx

Dang! I knew there was something about pedx I didn't like. ;-)
I lived in Knoxville from 78-82 as an MSU grad.”
StoveStomper
3:24:29 PM
12/06/05

He's talking about the one in Austin, SS.”

“I agree Geo. I think Penn St/FSU is a terrible matchup. PSU should wipe the floor with them.




Ped, I think the mistake a lot of people make is that they see how the SEC plays against itself and are unimpressed.

SEC games are among the most competitive in the country. I’ve already posted that statistic. Nobody really stands out because the teams are fairly balanced.

The Pac-10 has one team. It’s been easy for USC to look good when the spreads on most of their games are more than 20 points. The Big-12 has had Texas and Oklahoma after Nebraska went down hill. And it didn't have Oklahoma this year. It’s easy to look good against that competition. The Big-10 consisted of Michigan, Ohio St., and the 8 dwarfs for years. Now they’ve got Penn. St. Every once in a while another big ten team steps up from mediocrity, but they haven't made it to the top in years. It’s not hard to look good against a weak conference.

The SEC beats up on itself almost every year. As you can see from that round robin of SEC win/losses this year, no team has really stood out.

Did the SEC impress you when Spurrier was running roughshod over the league and scoring all those points? I don’t think the league was nearly as impressive then. And that was a very short anomaly. No team has a yearly lock on the SEC.

The SEC has a winning record in bowl games against EVERY other conference. Since 1992, the SEC has produced FIVE teams that have been at the top of the college football world. This year, there were FIVE teams that had a shot at the conference title. I mean, that’s ridiculous… do tell what other conference comes close to that kind of balance?

Head-to-head win/loss statistics don't mean anything to you. Conference balance doesn’t mean anything to you. Mythical national championships don’t mean anything to you. Talent level doesn’t mean anything to you. The cumulative evidence of all these statistics doesn’t mean anything to you.

Inquiring minds want to know, Ped, what other statistics are you looking for?






Bigun, I AM WHITE SUPREMACIST!

You got a problem with that?





“Now, remember you said the BCS was the only measure of a champion”

biggun


Oh Reeeeally? Find that quote.


Biggun, you’ve made ONLY one legitimate point. You’re wrong and you can’t admit it. That is obvious.”