The College Football thread

“Championship game was a really good game to watch. UT played a good game, but AU let them stay in the game. AU gave them the ball inside the 20 twice and threw a pick in the endzone. 303-29, yards at half time. 565-300, yards at the end of the game.

I think the refs made a mistake, isn't tennessee supposed to get all the calls?”

“Geez arclite .... wtf ya been eatin?”

“arclite, the way you want to do it is to much trouble. just make your pick and go with.”

“But cocoa, someone up the board said it was a closer game than the score indicated. What are you doing refuting that with yardage and the like?”

“dayhiker, don't you know total yards don't win you a game. It is the score. What if (big if..lol) UT had scored 40 points because of Auburn turnovers. There longest drive was 25 yds, interceptions returned for TD's..total yardage is usually right but not all the time.”

“Yes, but the point is that Auburn dominated, save their own mistakes. Yes, I recall the Neyland list that trailhound posted where item # whatever was don't beat yourself.”

“Not quiet sure I'm following your logic either dayhiker. No one will refute that AU decisively won the game. But total yardage is can be very deceiving, especially if those picky holds were not called. Comparing first downs however is a much more efficient gauge of how a game was actually played and also something both Neyland and Bryant paid much attention too. AU 31 UT 9 which shows how UT was unable to stop Campbell. Traditionally speaking, a very unusual game for UT. Bottom line fun game for the fan, plenty of drama and scoring, but the best team won.
last edited: 12/07/04 5:21:12 PM”

“My only logic is picking at whoever said it was a closer game than the score. I didn't watch the whole thing, but it appeared to be one of those where you wonder how the score was as close as it was.”

“I said it was closer than the score and still believe it that. Was it not tied going into the 4th? UT made several mistakes on defense (offsides and late hits) giving AU 2 somewhat easy scoring opportunities late in the game. AU showed against both UT and Bama that they are beatable as those games were similar with more points on the board. Again, as mentioned earlier the success of AU this year (and any Championship Team any given year) is that they never made the game breaking mistake.

Neyland Maximum #1
The team that makes the fewest mistakes wins!
last edited: 12/07/04 5:31:52 PM”

“See what I mean, more crybabys wearing orange!!”

“Ewker, that's the way we've done the TT Football God contest for the past three years and it really is very easy.

After everyone posts their picks, a couple of us enter the info into an excel program and keep a running tally of the results.

The only thing that may be complicated are my instructions. I always try to make directions as simple as possible without ANY room for misinterpretation. I may eventually get to the point to where my directions are both simple and impossible to misinterpret. I haven’t got there yet. Maybe it would help if I could draw pictures and diagrams. I doubt a 3D model would be appropriate here.

If anyone wants to see what the bowl postings for the TT Football God contest look like, just look at the posts, on this thread, from early December in years past.



I swear, it’s really easy. And it’s FUN TOO!!!

Don’t forget to buy your GATOR merchandise at a store near you... TODAY!”

“arc - I think it's so easy that even a UT grad can follow them. After all, chili has participated each year.”

“See what I mean, more crybabys wearing orange!!”
Blalock

What the hell are you talking about? Who's exactly is crying? I have yet to hear any moan and groan from any Vol fans. Were the fat girl at the prom this year and just happy to be here. A potential 10 win season and Eastern Division Championship for a rebuilding year is quiet nice. What's your gripe?
last edited: 12/08/04 8:56:45 AM”

“24-6 suck my balls UGA boy. JK
last edited: 12/08/04 12:47:39 PM”

“Anyone notice that Ron Zook doesn't even have to change wardrobe.

I heard that at his press conference announcing his new job he kept calling it "Illi-noise" Good way to endear yourself with the new fan base.
last edited: 12/08/04 12:52:32 PM”

“clemson rules”

“Lobby your congressman!!! The BCS is at it again.

Not only is Auburn left out in the cold, but California got the shaft.

California goes easy on Stanford. California ran out the clock, from the ten yard line, with over a minute left. They could have easily “run up the score” worse than they did.

Then California goes easy on Southern Miss. by only beating them 26 to 16.

Meanwhile Texas lobbies for a higher ranking and gets it.

We can only speculate about where California would be going bowling if they had “run up the score” on Southern Miss. as they are quite capable of doing.

What a sham!





URBAN MEYER!!!

From The Gainesville Sun:

Meyer is a confident coach who runs a wide-open, innovative offense and believes in his system. He wins, scores lots of points and would like to see a college playoff. And he's already got the needle out, ready to prod UF's rivals.

"There are some certain things we'll do here to egg on rivalries a little bit," Meyer said. "I kind of liked when Coach Spurrier referred to (Florida State) as the team to the west. I remember Coach Spurrier talking about them. I also remember Coach Spurrier talking about Tennessee and the Citrus Bowl (you can't spell Citrus without UT).

"I think that's what makes college football different than pro football. A lot of people say it's arrogant. It's not arrogant. Guys are having fun. We'll try to continue doing that here. You can still respect your opponent, but have great fun enjoying the pageantry of a traditional rivalry."

Spurrier came to UF after winning at a school where few had (or have) - Duke.

Meyer arrives in Gainesville after doing the same thing at Bowling Green and Utah, where the No. 5 Utes are 11-0 and in a BCS Bowl (Fiesta Bowl). When Meyer took over the program two years ago, Utah was coming off a 5-6 season.

"That's ball coaching right there," UF athletic director Jeremy Foley said. "Steve did it. Urban Meyer did it at those two places. Let's see if it translates into it happening here."

A long tenure?
One thing Meyer doesn't have in common with Spurrier is an eye for the NFL. Throughout his 12 years at Florida, the pros showed an interest in Spurrier and Spurrier showed some back and eventually made the move after the 2001 season. Meyer said the lure of the NFL will have no influence on him.

"A lot of people ask if I have an ambition to go to the NFL," Meyer said. "No, never. It's all about the pageantry and tradition of college football."

Said his wife Shelley: "He has no interest in the NFL. He'll never go there."

This Meyer-Florida marriage may be a long-term deal, Meyer and Foley said Tuesday. One that could go beyond the seven-year, $14 million contract Meyer has accepted.

"It's no different than (UF basketball coach) Billy Donovan," Foley said. "People always talk about Kentucky or the NBA. As long as Billy is coaching college basketball, he'll be in Gainesville. As long as Urban Meyer is coaching college football, he'll be in Gainesville. There's no doubt in my mind about that."

Meyer said Tuesday that Gainesville played a major role in what was a family decision to accept the UF job on Friday. Urban and Shelley Meyer have three children - daughters Nicole, 14, and Gigi, 11, and son Nathan, 6 - and decided this would be a good place to settle down and raise a family.

Their perception of Gainesville was forged, in great part, by conversations between the Meyers and Donovan and his wife, Christine, and between Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops, the former UF defensive coordinator under Spurrier who has been the head coach at Oklahoma the past six seasons.

"Bob Stoops is one of the first guys in the coaching profession who had the ability to mix family along with coaching," Meyer said. "I admire Coach Stoops. Every time I talk to him, something about family comes up. Coach Stoops said every year he comes back here because his wife and family love Gainesville so much.

"That conversation, along with Coach Donovan and his wife, made the transition decision easy."”

“dayhiker: I heard Zook do that, too. He can say my state's name however he wants. He's not Ron Turner, therefore, he must be better! (in other words, wait till the honeymoon wears off and then remind us!)”

“TMac - if you're from Illinois then I need to vent. The State Licensing Board for Structural Engineers are a major pain in the A. We've called multiple times to check on the status of things and each time you call back after they didn't call you, you find out that they never made a record of the previous conversation. A holes.

I feel better now. Sorta.”

“from arclite:

"California goes easy on Stanford.

California ran out the clock, from the ten yard line, with over a minute left. They could have easily “run up the score” worse than they did."

Hah! You posted that just to get my goat, I know it!! In fact, Cal's final possession started with 0:51 left from Stanford's 31, from where they took a knee a couple times until time ran out....

"Then California goes easy on Southern Miss. by only beating them 26 to 16."

Actually it looked to me like Cal had all they could handle. I think they should be in the Rose Bowl, but I don't think they were "going easy" on Southern Miss. - they were scrambling for their lives!
last edited: 12/08/04 4:03:08 PM”

“Ah, welcome to the redtape of Ill-ee-noy! I've had many a redtape battle with the Department of Securities.

(I didn't ask to be born here)”

“NY, IL, and MA have been major pains in the ass to deal with. Maine has been the easiest. I hope I can score a site visit on the Maine project.”

““arc - I think it's so easy that even a UT grad can follow them. After all, chili has participated each year.”
dayhiker
6:23:50 AM
12/08/04

Actually, seeing as how the contest was set up by an architect and an engineer, I think the value of the UT education is quite obvious.”

“Of course it was an attempt to yank your chain, Bowlder. I got tired of posting blow out scores. I wanted to see how I could lure you back to talking about one of my favorite subjects. EMOTIONAL LOGIC (an oxymoron if ever there was one)!

Although margin of victory isn’t as important as it has been in the past, rankings can mean a difference of millions of dollars for a team. Margin of victory has an effect on the rankings. There are MANY reasons OTHER than humiliation for scoring lots of points on your opponent. Capice?


Do you believe that Oklahoma “humiliated” Colorado?



1. I don’t buy the humiliation bit. Too many games can be called “running up the score” each year (I only posted blowouts through week three of this season). I don’t believe we’ve got that many psychopaths coaching college football.

2. If folks are going to complain about “running up the score” then they should be consistent in their condemnation if they really believe their own righteousness.



Steve Spurrier was vilified by the media for running up the score for a few years when he had great offenses at Florida. Oklahoma and Nebraska have been “running up the score” for years without any complaints. The media and Spurrier did not get along so he became their whipping boy. This leads me to believe that no matter what people say, they will believe what they read in the papers and they will let it form their opinions. Especially if those opinions get them all riled-up and foam at the mouth indignant and righteous.

I just loved what Meyer had to say about Spurrier. Unlike most fans and sportswriters, Meyer knows Spurrier and describes something about him well (he has a wicked sense of humor):


"There are some certain things we'll do here to egg on rivalries a little bit," Meyer said. "I kind of liked when Coach Spurrier referred to (Florida State) as the team to the west. I remember Coach Spurrier talking about them. I also remember Coach Spurrier talking about Tennessee and the Citrus Bowl (you can't spell Citrus without UT).”

"I think that's what makes college football different than pro football. A lot of people say it's arrogant. It's not arrogant. Guys are having fun. We'll try to continue doing that here. You can still respect your opponent, but have great fun enjoying the pageantry of a traditional rivalry."


When Meyer, Joe Paterno, and Lou Holtz all know Spurrier and like him, I never could figure out why so many folks, who didn’t know him at all, loved to hate him. Human behavior is pretty sorry some times, I’ll admit. But I still don’t buy that it’s always humiliation that drives a coach to “run up the score.””

“How many jockey would hold back their horse to win the Kentucky Derby by only a couple of lengths?”

“Rivalries are rgeat! Like when people refer to Florida as "That has been team down south". LOL! j/k

Hey arc, who ya rootin' for in the Rose Bowl? Be honest...come on you can say it....”

“MICHIGAN!!! (although I’ve always liked Texas- hook ‘em horns)

I grew up loving Michigan (and Penn St.)!!!

I love their helmets (both teams). I love their colors (both teams). There, I'm out of the closet. Why, oh why did you force me to out myself, Nigal? I'm so humiliated.


But now I root for the SEC. I have been BORN AGAIN!

Do you folks realize the talent level in the SEC? And I'm just talkin' coaches...Tuberville, Saban, Shula, Fulmer, Spurrier, Rix, Meyer...

IT'S INSANE!”

“arclite - I thought you didn't like the traditional helments and looks, or is that just Bama you don't like.”

“LOL! I'm not holding much hope for my team to beat a team that was hovering in the top five most of the year.

I love the traditional uniforms like Penn and Notre Dame but I hate it when they don't put the players names on the jersey. Traditional helmets are the best. No cartoon characters on them babies!”

“Black Coaches ASsoc has mud on it's face:

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/7982068”

“Thanks Nigal. Bama's uni's are the best. We do put the names on the back.”

“Do you folks realize the talent level in the SEC? And I'm just talkin' coaches...Tuberville, Saban, Shula, Fulmer, Spurrier, Rix, Meyer...

IT'S INSANE!”
arclite
6:06:17 AM
12/10/04

Funny, arc didn't mention the sole black coach in the SEC....


of course the whipping Croom inspired his team to put on UF probably accounts for that.”

“When are we going to start the annual picks?

I feel like this is my year although we really need Dunadan here so we all know we won't finish last. Maybe I can get him to email me his picks then I'll post them for him.”

“"Funny, arc didn't mention the sole black coach in the SEC...."

chili36

I am so politically incorrect. I have been exposed for the bigot that I truly am. There, I'm out of the closet. Why, oh why did you force me to out myself, chili? I'm so humiliated.

Croom hasn't had a chance to prove himself as a head coach yet. Although Fulmer had a lousy record against Spurrier, and people criticized him greatly for it, I believe that he still has the highest winning percentage of any active coach. That may have changed, but it was true back when Spurrier was beating Tennessee on a regular basis. Ahhh the glory years.

Prepare to be boarded, chili! After Meyer has a year or two in the saddle, Florida will dominate the entire known college football universe! Bwaaaahahahahaha…



The New Orleans Bowl starts at 7:30pm, Tuesday, December 14:

ALL FOOTBALL GOD CONTESTANTS WILL NEED TO POST THEIR PICKS BEFORE THAT TIME!”

“Well, we have a new coach: Walt Harris from Pitt. A little weird - he's won quite a few games, but they can't seem to get rid of him fast enough. Norm Chow had also interviewed, but it looks like they went with the guy with head coaching experience. Of course, Buddy Teevens had experience, too, but Harris actually won a few games.

And Willingham took the Washington job - ugh. Was hoping to not have to see that jerk for a while....”

“Somebody post the bowl matchups.”

“Alliance Bowl Games Match-Up
Orange Bowl USC vs Oklahoma


BCS National Championship
Sugar Bowl Auburn vs Virginia Tech
Fiesta Bowl Pittsburgh vs Utah
Rose Bowl Texas vs Michigan
Alamo Bowl Texas Tech vs Ohio St
Capitol One Bowl Iowa vs LSU
Champs Sports Bowl Georgia Tech vs Syracuse
Continental Tire Bowl North Carolina vs Boston College
Cotton Bowl Tennessee vs Texas A&M
Emerald Bowl New Mexico vs Navy
Fort Worth Bowl Cincinnati vs Marshall
Gator Bowl Florida St vs West Virginia
GMAC Bowl Memphis vs Bowling Green
Holiday Bowl California vs Oklahoma St
Houston Bowl Colorado vs Texas - El Paso
Independence Bowl Northern Illinois vs Iowa St
Insight Bowl Oregon St vs Notre Dame
Las Vegas Bowl Wyoming vs UCLA
Liberty Bowl Boise St vs Louisville
Motor City Bowl Toledo vs Connecticut
MPC Computers Bowl Fresno State vs Virginia
Music City Bowl Minnesota vs Alabama
New Orleans Bowl North Texas v Southern Miss
Outback Bowl Wisconsin vs Georgia
Peach Bowl Florida vs Miami
Sun Bowl Arizona State vs Purdue”

“hi to lo

louisville
utah
cal
ucla
purdue
virginia
oregon st
north carolina
auburn
FSU
colorado
southern miss
georgia tech
LSU
michigan
miami
iowa st
oklahoma st
bowling green
toledo
navey
georgia
Oklahoma
Bama
Troy St
UAB
cincinatti”

“USC
VaTech
Utah
Michigan
Ohio State
Iowa
GaTech
BC
Tennessee
New Mexico
MArshall
FlaState
Memphis
CAl
Colorado
Iowa State
Notre DAme
UCLA
Louisville
UConn
UVA
Minnesota
Southern Miss
Georgia
Miami
Purdue”

“Do we rank these picks on a point system?”

“Yes, put the ones you are most confident in victory at the beginning.

If there are 20 games and the one you list first wins, you get 20 points. If the one you put in last wins, you get 1 point.”

“What I thought, thanks.”

“College football is still going on?!

;-)”

“Oh, is this the final prediction contest thingy?

Hooray to my Matt Leinart! Our 6th Heisman trophy! Woo Hoo!

It's funny we had a Heisman party and we were so busy cheering once we heard "The winner is Ma...." that we didn't notice the mispronunciation of Leinart. "Leinhart?" Say what! That's sad he didn't practice the names.”

“Wounded Knee's list only has 26 bowls listed. Dunadan has 28 listed including some different matchups than WK posted.”

“Here is the list from ESPN.com

North Texas vs. Southern Miss
Syracuse vs. Georgia Tech
Memphis vs. Bowling Green
Cincinnati vs. Marshall
UCLA vs. Wyoming
Hawaii vs. UAB
Fresno State vs. Virginia
Toledo vs. Connecticut
Iowa State vs. Miami (OH)
Oregon State vs. Notre Dame
Colorado vs. UTEP
Ohio State vs. Oklahoma State
Boston College vs. North Carolina
Navy vs. New Mexico
Texas Tech vs. California
Northern Illinois vs. Troy
Alabama vs. Minnesota
Arizona State vs. Purdue
Louisville vs. Boise State
Miami vs. Florida
Georgia vs. Wisconsin
Texas A&M vs. Tennessee
West Virginia vs. Florida State
Iowa vs. LSU
Michigan vs. Texas
Utah vs. Pittsburgh
Auburn vs. Virginia Tech
USC vs. Oklahoma”

“28 picks

California
Utah
Georgia
Louisville
Oklahoma State
Alabama
Oregon State
Hawaii
Texas A&M
Southern Miss
Georgia Tech
Memphis
Boston College
Purdue
Miami
Texas
LSU
Auburn
Navy
UTEP
West Virginia
Virginia
Oklahoma
Connecticut
Marshall
Miami (OH)
Troy
UCLA”

“From Dunadan:

1. Orange Oklahoma over USC 28
2. Sugar Auburn " Va Tech 27
3. Fiesta Utah " Pitt 26
4. Rose Tex " Mich 25
5. Cap 1 LSU " Iowa 24
6. Gator Fla St " W V 23
7. Cotton Tex A&M " Tenn 22
8. Outback Wisconsin " Georgia 21
9. Peach Miami " Florida 20
10.Liberty Boise St " Louisville 19
11. Sun Purdue " Az St 18
12. Music Bammy " Mini Soda 17
13. Silicon North Ill " Troy 16
14. Holiday Cal " Tex Tech 15
15. Emerald Navy " New Mex 14
16. Cont. BC " N. Car 13
17. Alamo Ok St. " Ohio St 12
18. Houston Colo " UTEP 11
19. Insight Notre Dame " Or St 10
20. Independ.Iowa St " Miami O 9
21. Motor Toledo " UConn 8
22. MPC Comp.Virginia " Fres St 7
23. Hawaii Hawaii " UAB 6
24. Vegas UCLA " Wyoming 5
25. Fort W. Cinci " Marshall 4
26. GMAC Memphis " Bowl G. 3
27. Champs G. Tech " Syracuse 2
28. New O. North Tex " South. Miss 1”

“Auburn
Utah
Miami
Texas
California
Florida State
Boston College
Oregon State
UCLA
Southern Miss
Virginia
Oklahoma State
Purdue
Colorado
Navy
Louisville
USC
Minnesota
Iowa State
Tennessee
Memphis
Syracuse
Troy
Toledo
Wisconsin
Iowa
Cincinnati
UAB”