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some screwed up people out there”
“Shut the front door!”
“Hope they catch the bastards.”
“I like how there was a picture of fire in the article. Not a picture of anything materially related to the story, but just a picture of some generic flames, just in case some people weren't sure what fire looked like or what color it was.”
“Just crazy! How does someone make the leap from a simple altercation to "I'm gonna set that guy on fire..". And not just one crazy bastard, five crazy bastards. And not only did they make that leap, they had material to do it with them in the car. Were they trying to impress the girls?
Somedays I think we all should be packing heat.”
“I think if Obamacare made us all be vegans, there would be less cannibalism....”
“1c, i think the answer to your question is that they were looking for someone to set on fire. that wasnt mere escalation. they wanted to fvck someone up”
“I think if Obamacare made us all be vegans, there would be less cannibalism
If that was suppose to be funny it wasn't
Somedays I think we all should be packing heat
yeah I am sure he would have had a chance to dig it out of his pack before they set him on fire...geesh”
“Ewker you completely miss the point of packing heat.
a'course, that poor, unlucky hiker was packin' all kinda heat there for a bit
cb, I thawt that flame pic was a nice touch too”
“I didn't miss any point.
That is always the answer (pack heat) some folks want to use when something happens.”
“Packing heat is less for the packer, than it is for those wanting to assail the packer.
For example: My Italian father's views about America's fetishism over guns is changing. In Italy, wy you can break into about anybody's home and rob'em blind, right in front of their eyes. It is illegal to own a gun except for military, police, and a few others, naturally government aligned. It is also illegal to use deadly force "above and beyond" force being used against you.
But ....... in America .... and most certainly in God's country of the Suthun Appalachian, breaking into someone's house is pretty seriously stupid, and I told Babbo even an ole lady might blow a hole thru you if you break into her house, or even if you try to rob her or steal her car ..... and the law allows her to do so.
"Packers" don't pack for a hard-on, packers pack to aide in a thug's temporary consideration, however tiny that may be.”
“ breaking into someone's house is pretty seriously stupid, and I told Babbo even an ole lady might blow a hole thru you if you break into her house
that I agree with
Packers" don't pack for a hard-on
your opinion..not mine”
“Ok Ewk, fair enough. Sometimes I miss the mark, I can admit that.
I'm not sure I'm getting your point about people carrying guns though. Kinda getting mixed signals, are you for it or against it?”
“I'm not claiming it would be any solution I would just like to see people who undoubtedly set out to do this kind of thing get shot to death first, is that too much to ask?
..and how long does it take to douse someone in gas and set them on fire with a match? If your firearm ain't that handy stick with a knife..
Not trying to turn this fuego, you can wish for whatever you want too. ;)”
“That seems reasonable to me...”
“I'm with you there camp, the "defend yourself to death" gig totally works for me. For anyone that crosses the line to that extent, they deserve a death by defense verdict, or at the very least extreme maiming for life ..... which may be a better sentence than death.”
“Not trying to blame the victim, but caution demands that if you're walking down some city street by yourself at 1 o clock in the morning and a car full of probably drunken idiots yells at you, just let them go by. that's not to let these bozos off the hook at all, however”
“Ye cb, I teachin' my kids that many (particularly my gals) victims are not completely innocent, for just the reason you mention.
NEVER help yourself be a victim in the first place.”
“There is nothing "political" about this. The death penalty doesn't stop people from murder and the though of "packing heat" probably wouldn't have slowed down these ass clowns.
Now, I am not issuing a statement pro or con on carrying a firearm. I am simply saying don't cheapen what happened to this guy buy going off topic on what may or might have happened if he may or might have been able to produce a gun and shoot those poor dumb bastards.”
“Well mass murderer Jeffery dohmer(sp?) chose a state with no DP in which to eat his victims. So I'm afraid I have to disagree with your first paragraph. I agree with the second paragraph thOugh.”
“Kinda getting mixed signals, are you for it or against it?
I am sure my opinion has been stated in some of the guns threads in fuego. If you want to know go look for it :)”
“This is the latest info I have found and it is 2 days old.
"A nearby rescue mission gave him clothes, a barber shop gave him a haircut and a Gettysburg hotel is putting him up until he can get more treatment for his burns."”
“Glad to hear he's doing better”
“Strat, that is a subject for another thread, but really, you think Dahmer commited those crimes because there was no DP? Had he been in TX, same result.
My point is the ones responsible for this really didn't consider concealed carry laws or what the penalty would be.”
“Yes Chili, he said so in an interview.
You are probably correct that the idiot perps in this case didn't cosinder it. But the innocent victim might have been able to defend himself against this brutality.”
“I agree chili, as fast as this happened, him with a gun would not have kept him from flamin' up ..... but more'n likely he cuda sent a few rounds into their laffin backs as they ran off..... nah, if ur burnin' you ain't gonna be doin no shootin, u better be rollin around somewhere.
Carrying a gun has no real issue with this case. (He was strollin' in the dark late at night, yathank if he was packin' he might be slightly ready for potential trouble? .... uh, I wudda been.) But in general, it most certainly effects criminal activity.
Gun laws or no gun laws ... it just don't fit with some cases. If someone is seriously out to get you, it don't really matter if you drive around in a Bradley tank, they gonna get you. That's not why a person carries a gun ... it's for all them other just in case scenarios that may pop up.
Chili if we cud execute anyone that screwed a kid under, say ....7, or whatever we deem, you absolutely cannot tell me that it wud cure most pedophiles into a better way of living !? At least for kids aged to whatever we made the law for.”
“Its stuff like this that makes me want to get my carry and conceal permit. People out there are crazy and that is ridiculous. If you want to pick a fight, do it like a man. Not 5 people and gasoline.. This is such a horrible story. I hope he is okay.”
“I go catfishing quite a bit, usually at night and sometimes alone. Sunday night, my buddy and I decided to go to the lake near our house instead of the 74 bridge a couPle miles away. Turns out there was some kind of drunken tussle down at 74 bridge that night. One man stabbed to death, his son still in ICU. We were a little freaked out because we ALMOST went there that night. Now I have 2 BIG dogs and I always take one with(1/2 rotty, 1/2 German sheppard) and my buddy (concealed carrier)always has 9mm of fun in his tackle box. It just really hit home that there are crazy idiots everywhere and you'd be a fool not to take precautions to protect yourself in such a situation.”
“This is why I carry, I never carry if I'm alone.
This guy should've died on the spot.”
“Here's the incident I was talking about. This spot is about 2 miles from my house.
Camper, you don't carry if you're alone? Me no comphrenda....”
“I figure if I'm alone I can avoid confrontation or at least not escalate one, like CB said. I don't carry anything I would shoot anyone to keep. Nothing really to protect, my virginity is lone gone.. besides, guns are heavy and I'm kinda old.
If I have kids in my charge, well that changes things. I don't want to live with the regret of not protecting them like the Dad in the Wendy's story will.
My wife has been telling me for years not to let the kids go to the restroom by themselves, I always thought it was overprotection. She's right again. It's a sick world out there, and getting sicker.
One caution I'd throw out there for those considering carrying. I grew up shooting, mostly shotguns and .22s, but I would shoot like everyday. I thought that meant I could handle a handgun fairly well. That was not the case. It took me literally thousands of rounds to become confident with a short barreled handgun. It's an aquired skill. Take the time and expense to be confident in your ability. Better to be a victim than accidentally create one or two.”
“ confident with a short barreled handgun.
Just from target practice? Or did you take further training as well (beyond whatever your CCW license requires). I am confident I can draw and do an accurate Mozambique drill on a man-sized target at self-defense distances at the range. I've had a little training beyond the basics. Even so, in an actual self-defense situation, I would be horrified at having to rely on a pistol, in all honesty.”
“That's a good point, Target practice isn't self defense training, and no, I never really had any. Requirements are very minimal and focus more on liability than tactics. You say you don't want to rely on one. Well, I don't think any sane person does. It's a last resort. ... you just don't want to be caught wishing you had one.”
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