I Need Help-Floorless Tents

“In the first video. he states the cot is 2.12 oz... and the website says 4#?!?!?!?

Gotta check this...”

“You can take some of the pole supports out to save weight... Judging from the guy in the video, he prolly should leave them in.”

“If you guys use a tarp shelter, what size tarp would you recommended? And what kind of setup? I've seen a lot of different setups and ideas, but I feel like none really offer a good setup for keeping out rain and the elements. I just want to know what you guys think would be the best setup. I feel like the double open sided ends would be a bad idea. Thank you for your time!”

“best thing to do is to get out in the rain and try some setups and see what works for you

some links:

http://hikinghq.net/gear/tarp.html
http://www.backpacking.net/makegear.html
http://nwwoodsman.com/Articles/TarpSetUp.html
http://www.naturalbushcraft.co.uk/shelter/tarpology-setting-up-your-tarp-in-different-configurations.html”

“HOI is right. Experiment and use your head. Try to see from which direction rain clouds may approach. You can get an idea by observing the current movement of clouds.

Don't forget to take someone with you to hold your hand! ”

“I like some of the designs on nwwoodman.com but I'm just using a standard blue tarp. Is there anyway to attach "D" rings to a tarp you think? That would be handy if you could.”

“Punch holes, set grommets, attach D rings.”

“Why d-rings? Use rocks from the campsite in the tarp corners put a larkshead around em and stake it out. That will save you weight since you are already using a relatively heavy tarp.”

“I suppose Camper, that's what I normally do, but it left big ripples in it. And I dont wanna wear a hole in it. I guess I really dont need it, but it'd make the walls more tight and stable in wind.”

“You get "stable" by pulling the tarp really, really tight. It'll lose the ripples too. Try using using two or even three stakes per corner so you can pull it extra tight. Drive them in and use a small loop around them to connect your guyline. Car camping I use those blue tarps and stretch them with rachet straps.”

“Its kind of rediculous to say, but im worried about ripping the tarp. I mean big deal, 5 dollar tarp. But still. Ha well, my velcro idea did not work. The velcro stuck very nicely to the bug netting, but not the tarp. So, back to the drawing board. I was thinking about making just a facial covering type bivy with the netting. Maybe grommeting the netting an bringing some spare tent poles so it stays out of my face. The more I think about the idea, the better it sounds. Im just concerned because I like to move in my sleep.”

“Now you are seeing why a simple, well-designed, lightweight tent makes so much sense. Do yourself a favor and get one.

http://www.trailspace.com/gear/eureka/spitfire-1/

And I hope you gave up on the cot idea.”

“A real troll never gives-up!”

“Two thumbs up for NS.”

“Trust me, I've looked at plenty of tents. But they always seemed expensive or too heavy for me. And I know I've kinda specified that this is just for me, but Id like it to be big enough for two people. I think im gonna try a new adhesive for the tarp. Or duct tape it in. Otherwise, the bivy headnet idea is the next option.”