Occupy Wall Street

“LOL - was violin banned?”

“Wow, the Cain thread has fallen off the map, sorta like his campaign...LOL.”

“Dream on, mutt, but rosey had been missing until that silly post. LOL”

“This is a brilliant commentary on the OWS generation. Worth the 9 minutes: Adam Carolla Explains the OWS Generation”

“Why you'd turn to some inarticulate hack whose claim to fame is a show that featured chicks with big knockers bouncing on trampolines is beyond me. Is actually argue he's of the mindset that's screwing America.”

“Hmmm Mutt, yes that was worth 9 minutes. Rosey it is absolutely no surprise that you would find that offsetting. I'd say Carolla's pretty cut and dry, and right on topic at that. Even left of the Left Wing, Obama butt-licking NPR has had multiple stories on how sucky it is to hire young adults in their twenties ..... FOR EXACTLY ADAM'S REASONS !

Moreover rose, whachew got against chix with big knockers bouncing on trampolines? Unless......... ooohhhhhhh......... I thiiiink I'm starting to comprehendo you-o........














.....shew.”

“Why you'd turn to some inarticulate hack whose claim to fame is a show that featured chicks with big knockers bouncing on trampolines is beyond me. Is actually argue he's of the mindset that's screwing America.�
roseymonster
10:21:10 AM
12/01/11






So what exactly is this mindset he spoke of that's screwing America?”

“BTW, while his statement might not be true of every Occupier, he sure as hell is spot on with the Politics of Envy comments.”

“I'm waiting for one of you geniuses to tell me what's the solution to dealing with all of these people that are going to be without social services services if your dreams of gutting the programs come true. Apparently none of you have ever traveled through developing nations. It ain't pretty.”

“How yawl GOP­= GUARDIANS OF PLUTOCRACY doing?”

“Just talking about federal programs.

Many states are solvent, like mine, and have programs for the indigent. Also localities have programs..beyond that you can't swing a dead cat in this country without hitting a huge church. Maybe they actually help their neighbors instead of competing with eachother for the nicest gymnasium.
Necessity being the mother of invention..”

“Ok. So your state would become the magnet for indigents. Cool.”

“No, I think yours holds that title.. : )

But hey, let 'em come. So long as they are willing to work hard. I don't feel threatened by folks with less money than me, I'm fairly well armed.”

“Actually the premise for your question is silly. What is your plan for continuing to spend money we don't have?”

“Aye, there's the rub. America's indigent problems are multifaceted, so our solutions too would be multifaceted, many of which I couldn't begin to tell you, due to the fact that I don't really know.

Camper beat me to the punch: the greater question is WHY is your plan for continuing to spend money we don't have?

In the end, your plan produces infinitely more indigents than what we originally needed to aid.

I cannot say this enough, Mr Developing Nations: PLEASE move to your beloved Europe for a short time, when you return you will be thoroughly cured of your bleeding-heart, nanny-state government ideals.”

“..and that these folks would be "without social services". Not true. Also not true that the US will turn into Guatemala if the feds go bankrupt. Fear mongering from the left, usually that's the right's domain. Lol.”

“Ape, look up "The Weight of the Poor" by Cloward and Francis Fox Piven. It's just a few pages long and it will clarify the "why" for you. Oh yeah, she's (Piven)totally involved with Occupy and a modern day hero to the leftist. Basically the idea is to break the back of the system(capitalism) by overwhelming it with social entightlement spending, and when the system fails, swoop in with socialism. They want us to fall, that's what I've been trying to tell y'all. It's intentional. The truth is out there folks. Look it up

Sorry, the wife made some killer deer chili and I had heartburn and couldn't sleep....”

“I'm waiting for one of you geniuses to tell me what's the solution to dealing with all of these people that are going to be without social services services if your dreams of gutting the programs come true. Apparently none of you have ever traveled through developing nations. It ain't pretty.�
roseymonster
4:09:23 PM
12/01/11

Link?

Politics of Fear is almost as ugly as Politics of Envy.


So what exactly is this mindset he spoke of that's screwing America?�
Nonconformist
12:37:36 PM
12/01/11”

“Wants and Needs are different, in the rose colored world of OWS they are one in the same.
Just go Pay your bills and whatever is left $10 , $20, $60 , $100 or more is Fodd, Gas and Fun. Oh I cant pay my student loan....guess you made a bad business choice, your problem! Not ours”

“Activist Boasts of Communist Leadership in Occupy Movement – Links to Re-election of Obama

http://biggovernment.com/tloudon/2011/12/01/young-communist-boasts-of-communist-leadership-in-occupy-movement-links-to-re-election-of-obama/
Youth in the United States are shouting at the top of their lungs that the U.S. capitalist economic system has failed them… thousands of youth in the United States are taking to the streets to demand a better world.

Inspired by the “Arab Spring” and other youth movements in Europe and Latin America, the Occupy Wall Street Movement began in the heart of the U.S. capitalist system, and has now spread to more than 300 cities in the United States

The labor movement in the U.S. has been one of the strongest allies to the Occupy movement. Other participants in the Occupy movement include peace activist groups, veterans, elected officials, immigrant rights groups, and of course the Communist Party and the Young Communist League! The Young Communist League, even though we are in a re-building phase, has participated in Occupy in every city where we exist, and has even initiated the Occupy chapters in some cities. Leaders of the Young Communist League and leaders of the Communist party have been arrested in Chicago on two separate occasions during police raids on the Occupy movement.

The Young Communist League has been collecting signatures nation-wide in support of President Obama’s “American Jobs Act”, and Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky’s “Emergency Jobs to Restore the American Dream Act”

Also, hundreds of youth are joining the Young Communist League every month online.

Because youth are so disillusioned with capitalism in the U.S. right now, this moment is a huge opportunity for building solidarity with and awareness of countries where socialism or communism exist as the dominant system. This includes Cuba and the growing anti-imperialist governments in Latin America.”

“Fodd is good.”

“Youth in the United States are shouting at the top of their lungs that the U.S. capitalist economic system has failed them… thousands of youth in the United States are taking to the streets to demand a better world.

It is not Capitalism they are against, it is this Crony Capitalistic Corruption where everyone is on the payroll of the Plutocrats, and it looks like, including you, dOOd.”

“no Uncliff, go to the link, those are quotes from the communist girl that is talking. Not my interpretation, or yours, the actual words of the actual communist who spilled the beans about what's really going on here. Quit lying and embrace the lot you've chosen. Only 2 sides, you're on the communist side.”

“food is godd”

“dOOd, as I've said here many times, I've never had a job for which I got wages. I've been my own employer and am a total capitalist to the extent I've never taken a penny from the gov't and don't even use the majority of tax loopholes. Just because I'm for the working man and the unemployable poor you think you can call me a commie. When you learn what communism really is and who practices it, keep your accusations to yourself. You're one of the 'Guardians Of Plutocracy' and probably don't even know, all you do know is if the John Birch society says it's wrong , you believe them.”

“Wrong again man. I don't listen to Birch but I do believe the communist who says she's a communist and what their intentions are and you are on her side. It's pretty simple. Didn't call you commie, but you are absolutely in complete solidarity with them . If that makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you've chosen poorly.

2+2=4, comrade....”

“dOOd
HONDAS???? perhaps you've chosen poorly.

Part of the problem”

“dOOd ,today's Cainwreck is an example of your choices.
It's good , you don't listen to John Birch, he died in 1945.”

“Is President Obama an example of your choices Cliff?
He's been a total empty suit disaster.”

“For what it's worth--

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody'­s wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going

2011 not 1968, where are the changes?”

“I didn't vote for Obama, he's not my choice, but he's what we got and i'm not going to work against what he does- he's lite-years better than Napalm John--Ron Paul in 2008,but Gary Johnson is 2011!”

“I've been voting for 3rd party longshots since 1988.. Gary Johnson in 2011? ..better wait til 2012, don't make it a longer shot than it is already. lol.”

“I didn't vote for Obama, he's not my choice, but he's what we got and I'm not going to work against what he does- he's lite-years better than Napalm John--Ron Paul in 2008, but Gary Johnson is 2011!”

“Hey look, Uncle cliff is repeating himself...maybe we should look into a home.”

“

Lincoln: ''Labor Is the Superior of Capital''

Alan Grayson, Former U.S. Congressman from Florida's 8th District


During my two years in Congress, I heard an awful lot of speeches. Some of them were delivered by some of the finest public speakers in America today -- like Barack Obama, Neil Abercrombie, John Lewis, Anthony Weiner and Alcee Hastings. But none of them was as profound and poignant as the one that I'm about to share with you. It was delivered to a joint session of Congress by President Abraham Lincoln, exactly 150 years ago today. The focus of the President's speech was, of course, the Civil War. But President Lincoln took a short detour, and with a few bare sentences, he summed up an issue that remains with us to this day.

This is what President Lincoln said to Congress, to America, and to us:

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It is not needed, nor fitting here [in discussing the Civil War] that a general argument should be made in favor of popular institutions; but there is one point, with its connections, not so hackneyed as most others, to which I ask a brief attention. It is the effect to place capital on an equal footing with, if not above, labor, in the structure of government. It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor. This assumed, it is next considered whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them, and drive them to it without their consent. Having proceeded thus far, it is naturally concluded that all laborers are either hired laborers or what we call slaves. And further, it is assumed that whoever is once a hired laborer is fixed in that condition for life.

Now, there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed, nor is there any such thing as a free man being fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer. Both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them are groundless.

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights.
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If I were still in Congress, I would have repeated President Lincoln's speech on the floor of the House this week, in the same spot where he rendered it 150 years ago. "Labor is the superior of capital." And we must not "place capital... above labor in the structure of government." Thank you, Mr. Lincoln. If I had to sum up my job as a congressman in 25 words or less, that would do it.

I realize that for a statement as profound as this one, it is "far beyond [my] poor power to add or detract" (as Lincoln himself said, two years later, at Gettysburg). But I'll try anyway, recognizing that "the world will little note, nor long remember, what we say.

I find it startling to read something like this, and realize how timeless these battles are. As the French say, "Plus �a change, plus c'est la m�me chose." ("The more things change, the more they stay the same.") In fact, you can hear echoes of Lincoln's words in what Elizabeth Warren said just 10 weeks ago: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody."

Now, admittedly, capital is wealthier, better organized, and far more powerful today than it was in Lincoln's time. Capital gorges on Republican tax cuts for the rich, on bailouts, on government contracts and corporate welfare, on free money from the Fed, and on monopoly profit. Capital treats politicians and whole political parties like puppets. Capital creates and perpetuates a system where labor is unemployed, where labor is in debt up to its eyeballs, where labor cannot see a doctor when ill, where labor is pitted against labor. There probably are plenty of well-meaning people who realize this, throw up their hands, and say, "If you can't beat them, join them."

And then there are us. People with a head, and a heart. People who want to occupy Wall Street, occupy K Street, and occupy America with the simple concept of justice for all. People who understand that the very fact that this fight has been going on for 150 years or more, and will continue after you and I are gone -- that very fact -- makes this a fight that is worth fighting for.

And gradually, things do get better. I know, I know -- two steps forward, one step back. But then two more steps forward.

Oh say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed, at the twilight's last gleaming.f

When Lincoln spoke, 150 years ago today, his time was the twilight's last gleaming. And today, you can see the dawn's early light.

Can you see it?

Courage,

Alan Grayson”

““I didn't vote for Obama, he's not my choice, but he's what we got and I'm not going to work against what he does- he's lite-years better than Napalm John--Ron Paul in 2008, but Gary Johnson is 2011!” Three's a charm, can't do know harm. hehe”

“Alan Grayson, Former U.S. Congressman from Florida's 8th District

*snicker*”

“Woman Charged With Stabbing At Occupy Baltimore over cat care

BALTIMORE (AP) � Baltimore police say a woman has been charged with assault in a stabbing at the Occupy Baltimore site.

Officers say Desiree Nicholson, 23, of Halethorpe has been charged with assault in the incident early Sunday at the encampment at the Inner Harbor. She is being held on $75,000 bond.

According to a police report, the unidentified victim says she and Nicholson had gotten into an argument �because [Nicholson] was not taking care of her cat.�

The police report says Nicholson kicked the woman in the stomach, then stabbed her in the arm and thigh with a knife......

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/12/05/woman-charged-with-stabbing-at-occupy-baltimore/#comments”

“uncliff - but he's what we got and I'm not going to work against what he does

Isn't this the President Obama who ratcheted up the war taking it to new countries and handing the prosecution of it over to a faceless bureacracy? Killing an untold number of innocent people in the secret process?

That's where these people lose all credibility. We know they don't care about ending the status quo. This is just a place for the disenfranchised based to express their frustrations with the party, yet there are some frustrations that won't be expressed. Just like the Tea Party won't call for cuts in the military. It's a total sham.”

“I think I'm to the point where I want Obama to win again. Matter of fact I may vote for him. As it stands now, if one of the top Reps wins, the best America can hope for with its government is the oscillation of yin stupidity and yang idiocy. If Obama does not win, then that huge nanny-state segment of our population will still think they're right (left, actually, hehe, "correct" is the better word). If we continue to stumble along, it's likely we'll just continue stumbling along, idiots on one side bickering over minor details with morons on the other. But if we actually fall, as a society, then repair and hence true advancement can possibly be achieved. What I would like to see is that the majority of the nanny-state gurus be persuaded to think more about fiscal responsibility and governmental limitations.

The more I dwell on this, and the more I study and digest what might be best in the long run ....... the more I lean toward handing Obama my vote.”

“..and reward him for what accomplishment?”

“You're kidding camp, right? His reward will be a bullet. The real reward will be for those like rosey, we are on an unsustainable bell curve, whose slope is quite sharp, electing Obama will only hurdle us onto the backside of our bellcurve. The more I study "our" situation the more I'm convinced that if we want true American paradise (well that word is used quite loosely, I mean to say what was actual "America-ism"), what existed 20 and 30 years ago, we must as a system in it's entirety ........ collapse. Short of this, we'll only stumble, flail, and flop along.”

“You said you were "leaning toward handing Obama my vote"... Wouldn't that be a reward of sorts?

I don't think he deserves my vote, nor do I have any confidence in the frontrunners on the other side. So again, I'll cast my vote for someone who won't win out of protest. It's all I can do.”

“Oh it will be a reward all right.

I see where you'd vote that way camp, but why even bother? Wouldn't it be more productive, and far more satisfying and enjoyable, to say ta-hell with loser voting, let's all go out and enjoy a nice restaurant supper. C'mon, you're only making a point and protest to yourself, nobody is gonna care that you voted for Ron or whomever, when it's all said and done.

In the end, if I too decide to vote like that, then I'm not even gonna bother. I'm going to put it out of my mind, not give one danm schytte who wins Top Dawg, and with a huge smile and zero worries, we're off for a night at Cafe Rel for some totally awesome, pretty decently priced French cuisine. I'm smiling just thankin' about it!”

“Oh I'm gonna vote because I always vote, it's my privilege. Some will say it's a wasted vote.

I say the only wasted vote is the vote you cast and don't really believe in. So I'll vote for Ron Paul in the primaries and the libertarians or someone in the general election. It's all I can do. Then I'll hold my head up high and enjoy my life. I'm not responsible for the outcome of the election, only my vote.”

“ye true all that camp”

“GS made money on Solyndra Bankruptsy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/08/goldman-sachs-energy-department-loan-program_n_1136914.html?ref=business&ir=Business
last edited: 12/08/11 4:12:14 PM”

“..from the story:
The Energy Department loan guarantee program, which was set up during the Bush administration, is not specifically intended to create jobs, but rather to encourage U.S. energy independence by expanding renewable resources.

..sounds like socialism.”