It�s Still the Economy, Stupid

“dOOd!

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/the-chart-that-should-accompany-all-discussions-of-the-debt-ceiling/242484/”

“Look at all of that entitlement, bailout and stimulus spending under Bush.

Hmmmm. And I'm sure that folks that have #&%!$ed about how much Obama has "racked up" have shown their "Americanism" by sending their income relief (since Obama took office) back to help pay off this "massive debt".”

“So strat ... you had the time to spread more TPer douchbaggery on the other threads but couldn't come up with anything on this one?


Isn't THAT weird (or is it wierd?)?”

“You're dodging the issue just like you always do. How predictable.
Here's your argument: Bush did it and that was really bad, so it's not bad at all that Obama's doing it 10 times worse.
Only the apathetic, idiots and moochers will buy that steaming load of BS.”

“"You're dodging the issue just like you always do. How predictable. "

I've not dodged one thing.

You stated that Obama has racked up more debt than all Presidents combined.

I presented factual evidence that you are full of it.

You come back and present nothing to back up your claim or factually rebuts my evidence. You present a strawman argument, pout, name call, then run away.

Reminds me of my 3rd grader.”

“Actually, I should take that last statement back.

My 3rd grader doesn't really act like that. He does pout ever so often but he doesn't have the attributes of a kindergartner, or some uniformed TPer on the Internets.”

“Evidence? You produced nothing.
I called you no name.
Pout? Whatever

Try again; Obama-$ 5 trillion$ more debt. Am I uninformed? No. Have you produced evidence to the contrary? No”

“The south is rising again, can't yawl smell it?”

“"“Evidence? You produced nothing.
I called you no name.
Pout? Whatever

Try again; Obama-$ 5 trillion$ more debt. Am I uninformed? No. Have you produced evidence to the contrary? No”
Stratd00d
8:08:01 AM
5/17/12"


I clearly produced two graph charts and text that totally blew your claim out of the water.

Got your blinders on or something?

Geez. It was kind of funny at first but this denial thing you've got going is boarding on a sickness.”

“hmm, guess I missed that. I never said anything about percentage of GDP spending.

Maybe you'll get this one. And I'll say it again, Bush spent too much too. See, I'm objective.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Here's the point, WE ARE BROKE! Blame on whoever you want, it's a fact that we are spending at unsustainable levels right now and if it continues, we'll end up like Greece.

From CBS news

(CBS News) The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama's three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency.

The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.

The latest posting from the Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department shows the National Debt now stands at $15.566 trillion. It was $10.626 trillion on President Bush's last day in office, which coincided with President Obama's first day.

The National Debt also now exceeds 100% of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, the total value of goods and services.

If Mr. Obama wins re-election, and his budget projections prove accurate, the National Debt will top $20 trillion in 2016, the final year of his second term. That would mean the Debt increased by 87 percent, or $9.34 trillion, during his two terms.”

“You are not focusing.

Try to clear your mind and let's try again.

Be an active listener. k?

You stated that Obama racked up more debt than all other Presidents combined.

My factual information shows that not all Presidents racked up debt; in fact some paid it down to zero.

Therefore, your statement is false because not all Presidents racked up debt.

Got it now?


Further, under Obama, which includes the past two years of TBer activity in Congress, the debt has risen about 5T. He came into office with the debt at about 10T. If Obama racked up more debt than all past Presidents combined; the Obama administration, which includes two years of TBer activity in Congress, would have had to racked up debt totaling more than 10T, not 5T.

It didn't happen.

You're statement that Obama has racked up more debt than all past Presidents combined is WRONG.

Therefore, respectfully, you're full of it.


Geez.


Talk about hard-headed people.”

“Q, given that fact the Reps have retards running for president, none of which are truly "conservative", would you please tell me why another 4 years of Obama is a good idea?

The other parents of my kids little school are educators, professors, and artsy folx who obviously know nothing about social economics, and they'd stare at me like deer in headlights if I were to say something akin to Obama not seeing out his second term. I'd rather ask you, if you don't mind. And, can you do it in a way not using the Republicans or comparing Obama to then. Any insult you may have toward the Reps I would whole-heartedly agree to and prolly think much worse than that.

Think of this Q: America is better off with another Obama term because.............

(...just so you know, I don't plan to nitpick you, or argue, or debate, or nothing. Maybe or maybe not I'll agree some, but I wish you to think about and finish out the above sentence.... if you'll give me a few moments..... I just don't understand is all....)”

“What a great opportunity, naked ape.

Thank you for such a generous request and platform.

I'll need more than a few moments to fulfill that request. It's about 21 minutes past my bedtime EST, and after pitching/coaching a full 2 1/2 hours of batting practice for my son's BB team I don't really have a lot left in the tank right now. I've got two beers in me, some aspirin and I need to grab my pillow right about now.”

“that would be a no, nekkid, Q can't do it.”

“hehe, howdy baume, lawng time

I thank he'll make a go of it a little later, bigger projects are better done on a full tank.”

“Ok, let me restate this, Q's right, I misspoke;

America would be worse of is Obama wins because by the end of his second term, he will have racked up more debt that all other presidents combined, by far...”

“MICkey mouse house!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/defense-budget-passed_n_1527752.html
last edited: 5/18/12 10:51:46 AM”

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Remember we are still paying 18% to 22% interest on some thirty year bonds sold in the Reagan years.

Stats are cruel when you take time to tell the whole story. This chart is a bit dishonest, but the math is correct.
last edited: 5/23/12 9:56:33 AM”

“It's funny how on NPR this morning they were explaining why Greece and Spain are in so much trouble all of the sudden and how it could spread throughout the EU and then to the US. They can't even ignore it anymore. Beck's been warning about it for 3 years now. And you guys all called me a crazy conspiracy nut for bringing it up.
Cliff, you wanna blame Regan, blame Bush, and ignore the $5,000,000,000,000.00 Obama had wasted. At least Regan got something out of the deal and got the economy rolling. Oblame-a is an abject failure. I know it, you know it, and no amount of smoke and mirrors will keep the voters from figuring it out. He's started a class war, a race war, killed job creation, and even helped radical Islam spread throughout the world.”

“http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fiscal-cliff-cbo-predicts-recession-in-2013-unless-serious-action-taken/

BUSINESS
‘FISCAL CLIFF’: CBO PREDICTS RECESSION IN 2013 UNLESS SERIOUS ACTION TAKEN”

“BUSINESS
THE FEDERAL DEFICIT: THE REAL NUMBER THE FEDS AREN’T REPORTING

Better wake up, zombies....
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-real-federal-deficit-numbers-what-the-feds-arent-reporting/”

“The Bircher Blaze, where facts need not apply.”

“Amazon dumps ALEC!!!!



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/amazon-alec-pressure_n_1544028.html”

“AOL owns Huff-Post and they are ALEC Members, but they post every company who dumps ALEC. Would Bircher Blaze be that objective?”

“So what has the blaze been unfactual about? Prove it. If you've ever looked at any of the links, they almost always post video. See, you can't lie about video. It's something that really happened, something real and verifiable. The Blaze was created because even Faux News was filtering him, telling him not to cover this story or that. So he said fine, I don't need y'all. I'll start my own gig and get the truth out. It's the reason people like you hate his guts. Because he doesn't care what the truth is, it's coming out. It's the reason he's so successful. He's not interested in ego or fame, just the truth. The truth has no agenda.”

“Do you really think Fox dumped Beck, because he was so correct about everything?”

“He quit, Quit lying”

“...This chart is a bit dishonest, but the math is correct....

uncliff

sung to
...the bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean....”

“Here's a new bottle.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/25/carried-interest-mitt-romney_n_1546495.html”

““He quit, Quit lying”
They all quit when their options are announced.”

“Rise In Spending Under Obama Lowest Since Eisenhower
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/”

“Pay no attention to that five trillion dollars behind the curtain.......”

“That's weird....

Lloyd's of London preparing for euro collapse, social unrest expected

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9292511/Lloyds-of-London-preparing-for-euro-collapse.html

But but buuuhuuut but it's all the tea party's fault, and haliburton! Yeah and dick Cheney eats Black, gay puppies!!”

“dOOd, Goldman Sachs was hired to dress Greece up is financial clothing so they could lie their way into the EU. Blame is exactly where OWS is placing it, on WALL ST.”

“look like 147 orphans' facts turned out to be FALSE...but no one's talking about that... Isn't that weird?

http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2012/may/29/just-how-much-can-obama-get-away/
Last week some writer by the name of Rex Nutting published a column in The Wall Street Journal’s MarketWatch in which he said that federal spending under Obama had risen at a lower rate than that of any other presidents for the last 60 years. As soon as this story was published the anchors at MSNBC went positively orgasmic. Rachael Maddow, Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews --- all of them were literally dancing in the aisles. There was the proof! Obama was not a big spender! Rex Nutting said so!

Then someone actually checked Nutting’s numbers and his methodology and discovered, in a word, that it was complete yak squeeze – though yak squeeze that could be sold to the type of voters predisposed to vote for someone like Obama, and to MSNBC hosts.

We’ll make this simple. Nutting war depending on fiscal years for his numbers. Fiscal years and nothing more. Obama was elected and sworn in during George Bush’s final fiscal year a president --- a fiscal year that began on October 1, 2008 and ended on September 30, 2009. Nutting takes all of the spending increases that occurred in that fiscal year to George Bush. But was Obama really responsible for any of that spending in Bush’s final fiscal year? Here are some facts for you to ponder:

* When Bush left office there was a $410 billion spending bill sitting on his desk. Bush refused to sign it. Obama DID sign it, and the bill became law. The $410 billion in additional spending was credited by Nutting to Bush, who did not sign the spending bill, and not to Obama, who did.

* By the end of Bush’s term the market panic had passed. There were hundreds of billions of dollars in unspent TARP funds left. Bush announced that he would NOT spend this money. Obama, though, asked Bush to release the funds to him. Bush did so. Obama spent another $200 billion of Tarp funds before the fiscal year ended. This spending was credited to Bush, who had said he would not spend it, to Obama, who did.

* Then there was the stimulus bill. There’s another $835 billion. The stimulus bill was passed at Obama’s behest, signed by Obama, and most of the money – all but $140 billion – was gone by the end of the fiscal year. Again … this spending was credited to Bush. Nutting did credit the $140 in stimulus spending which occurred after the end of the final Bush fiscal year to Obama. What a guy!

Within 24 hours of Nutting’s MarketWatch column his numbers had been completely discredited. Even, as I said, the Washington Post Fact Checker column gave Nutting’s version of Obama spending record “Three Pinocchios.” Someone needed to tell Eugene Robinson. Someone also needed to tell the American people. Unfortunately, we’re talking about government educated people here, and my guess is that we’ll go right up to the election with millions of Americans falsely believing that Obama isn’t really a big spender. In the final analysis .. Rex Nutting did his job.”

“But, still Obama's first 3/4 year was the Bush budget. Boortz is as bad as Flock's Noose.

Neither Nutting nor Boortz has a clue, they are both professional Liars as are 99% of the news we read or listen to. Oh, except of course 'the Donald', who is always rite own.”

“What has he lied about? He says about a million things every day so if 99% is lies, surely you could come up with one thing. Ask Georgieboy Soros, bet he knows...”

“Soros is just another professional liar just like everyone you listen to. The Birchers have been eating this crap for 60 years and not a word has changed, while the left eats their own brand of crap and not a word changes. The problem is, no ever creates anything that makes things better, they only add confusion and a chance for the thieves to steal more from the ignorant.

Big Church, Big Biz and Big Gov't continues to suck the energy out of the civilization and all three return only dogma and worthless complication. Remember, Big Biz, Big Church and Big Gov't all three have the exact same problem, Size, that can never be managed by WE Simple Tribal Human Beings.”

“Here's a step forward.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/29/beto-orourke-marijuana-_n_1554661.html”

“Yeah, everybody burn a fatty, that'll solve things...”

“Tru nuff tho Strat ...... when thangs "ain't goin' so well", they'll be well marbled.”

“Obamanomics: Unemployment Claims Up, GDP Down

http://blog.american.com/2012/05/another-dose-of-sickly-economic-news-weakens-obamas-reelection-odds/

Obama's trickle down scheme only wasted 5 trillion dollars. That's weird....”

“YEAH!

America Lost 129,000 Millionaires in 2011

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47631154

I'm sure progressives love this news....”

“Hey look! 21,000 millionaires paid no income taxes. ISN'T THAT WEIRD???

http://news.yahoo.com/big-paychecks-tiny-tax-burdens-21-000-wealthy-100029578--abc-news-politics.html”

“The left's weird WAR ON WOMEN

766,000 More Women Unemployed Today Than When Obama Took Office
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/766000-more-women-unemployed-today-when-obama-took-office”

“Money hidden in Gold, Swiss Banks , Oil Futures and no jobs for anyone but the illegals - It's a capitalist wet dream come true and all thanks to the Prez who is only half slave owner. Hear! Here! Dixie dOOds and illegal's employers.”

“I thought that only the private sector created and then would also only destroy jobs. That was all the talk until the 'Half Slave Owner' got in the WH, now it's the Prez who creates and destroys. Are you all 100% slave owners?”

“message from uncliff being ignored
message from uncliff being ignored”

“message from uncliff being ignored-Being Ignored!”

“Evidence of impending hyperinflation?: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577436092711328990.html”