The Reality of Global Warming

“Yes, hands up.

Thanks for catching the typo, Mutt.”

“They've started burning it, correct?”

“�Whether we pump it ourselves (heh, heh) or buy it, accidents can and will happen---even if we find some other source. But go ahead, exploit the accidents even though it doesn't prove whatever your points you're trying to make.�
Nonconformist
10:35:53 AM
4/29/10
ignore this user

So you agree that these accidents will happen in the coastal waters.

These accidents could cause oil slicks that devastate the marine fisheries that the coastal communities rely upon.”

“Do I agree with who? Myself?”

“As long as it doesn't happen in my backyard, who gives a #&%!$”

“You can agree with me, because I say that these accidents will continue to occur in the gulf.

We are drilling at depths that are unprecideted. This crap is going to happen and it is going to be real, real hard to mitigate.

I'm an environmental consultant that deals with hydrocarbon spills daily. Although I am not a deep water spill mitigation expert, I can tell you from those that I have spoken to, it is something they have no experience previous experience with. They are all scared about it.”

“But Hub, NC is up here and the spill is way down there. Why would he care?”

“it is something they have no experience previous experience with. They are all scared about it.

Thanks for the reassurance, hubcap - LOL”

“OK Mutt. Let's see what those BP guys do with the spill. Let's get together in the next day or two to see how it has worked out.”

“Are you guys (again) imagining that I'm saying something I'm not? Are you trying to make some point? Here, this is what I said:

Whether we pump it ourselves (heh, heh) or buy it, accidents can and will happen---even if we find some other source.


What part of that is a problem?”

“All I'm saying is that these accidents will happen as they always have.

And in fact, mitigating them will become more difficult because of the unprecidented depths at which the extraction is occurring from.”

“Great, commonality.

What's next on the agenda, Ma am Clerk?”

“Yes, lol---looks like we'll have to agree to agree.”

“Surround the spill with wind generator Winsmills so the Press' view is is restricted- another one solved with glue sniffing logic. LOL”

“�nimrod:
your choice is Apocalyptic?
last edited: 4/29/10 10:24:02 AM�
hubcap

NO its Global Warming (not man-made)”

“The next agenda is that this is going to get ashore and will have to be delt with. It will not be at the thicknesses of the XOValdez spill because they have done some mitigation efforts (boom placement and skimming recovery, selective burn off, etc.). But we are still talking about a heck of a lot of oil - and it has not been stopped.

This could destroy the livlihood of a lot of people depending upon these fisheries.

I'm suprised that there is not more recogniztion of this.”

“I got it Nimrod.

I will agree that it is man-made in the sense that we have depleted the resources that we have built our complete world system upon.

I'm not so sure that the world temp increases or desertification or other issures can be as easily directly attriubted to our F-up. I think that they likely have, but it is harder to make that case.”

“I've seen a lot of it since it happened. As far as awareness; it will be a great rally for responsible and strategic drilling. Let's face it; we're not going to shut the spigots off any time soon, nor should we. No one wants to pay 15+ dollars per gallon to get around town.

This situation is a great example of our need to quickly move forward to develop alternative means of energy production. Our clean up efforts will be as good as it can be; seems like we've had a great opportunity to refine our techniques over the years. The people of New Orleans and the rest of Louisiana and east of there: The beaches, et. al. are gonna be screwed for a while. If we want to mitigate these situations, let's have all of you folks affected (including the Capitalist, who is loosing money on this, too) step up and facilitate change in the new energy direction.”

“my time to snicker.

really, they will let it get to $15/gal before changes really start.

that is simply the way it is going to be for America.”

“Silly Libbies! Why are you against corporations trying to make a buck?”

“"really, they will let it get to $15/gal before changes really start."

I disagree. Look at all of the changes happening right now and gas has never really got above 4.25/ gallon average. I doubt we would have hybrids, solar credits and advances in solar technology, geothermal technological advances, wind power, etc. if gas was like it was in 2002 at 1.60 / gallon.

Personally, I doubt it will even reach that high (15 +); even with OPEC calling their shot. On the other hand, if the U.S. were to strip all of the industry subsidies and factored in military costs and charged the citizenry a true cost, I could see gas hitting 15 bucks and beyond. But that would be absolutely foolish to do.

OPEC doesn't even want gas that high; they start loosing their asses when gas gets too high and the US dollar looses its value. They soaked and then got soaked. The good thing for them is that our economy is starting to turn around and our dollar is worth more than it was a few years ago when they were soaking. Too bad they already spent a lot of today's revenue a few years ago.

"Peak Oil" is for suckers and only serves to justify higher oil prices (Capitalists), or environmental causes (environmentalists). How much is oil at right now, and how much has OPEC cut production in order to stabilize the oil market? If OPEC was cranking like is was a few years ago in today's context, oil would be back down to 10 bucks a barrel. Remember when gas was just around 1.95 recently? Production was too high.”

“

"I DON'T CARE!"”

“you don't care about what? y2's post?”

“@ Dper”

“Gotta ask Hupcrap...what resources have we depleted? Meaning which ones are ecen close to being used up?”

“At least the Gropinator had enough gumption to tell Georgie to stuff it when he tried to put a buncha those drilling platforms off the Cali coast. So long, shrimp gumbo...”

“How's that push for more offshore drilling going for ya?”

“Drill drill drill has been replaced by Spill spill spill Baby!!!”

“Sarah want's to import hungry polar bears from her half term state into the Gulf so they'll swim around looking for ice and absorb all of the spill oil and then integrate into the local black bear population.”

““Gotta ask Hupcrap...what resources have we depleted? Meaning which ones are ecen close to being used up?”
theXL400
2:22:40 PM
4/29/10

I'm not sure why you seem to be so defensive about this, but I primarily am talking about cheap oil.

I don't understand how anyone that has really looked at the issue believes that it has not already been or is not about to be depleted to levels that are going to profoundly affect the world.

Major energy companies are starting to admit it quite frequently. The US military has finally come out and said that it is a huge issue that is going to come to a head dangerously soon.”

“"Peak Oil" is for suckers and only serves to justify higher oil prices (Capitalists), or environmental causes (environmentalists). How much is oil at right now, and how much has OPEC cut production in order to stabilize the oil market? If OPEC was cranking like is was a few years ago in today's context, oil would be back down to 10 bucks a barrel. Remember when gas was just around 1.95 recently? Production was too high.”
snicker
12:38:50 PM
4/29/10

This I do not believe. At least not in the sense that the apparent depletion of cheap oil does not affect its price. I am firmly of the belief that OPEC does not have the ability to significantly increase its output capacity. Everyone is running flat out except for (probably) Iraq, which will likely never get there. In fact, with the amount of water that the Saudis are trying to pump into Ghawar, things are looking bleak indeed.”

“How's That Oily Drilly Thing Working Out For Ya?


Overall it's going pretty well, isn't it? I can't wait for Daddy-O to expand the program until libbies come up with another energy source.

Oh wait---the libs don't deal with the solutions.......I kinda forgot that part.

DRILL BABY, DRILL!

Hey, maybe the libs can work on banning lightening next? They've already put a stop to coal mining (right?) so there's got to be something else to fight for.”

“As long as fines are cheaper than resolution to violations, some coal mining is a joint GOV/BIGBIZ conspiracy against V's favorite 'Coal Miners Children'.”

“The gulf needs a another Katrina to suck up all that oil and carry it over to DC and add some feathers.”

“Hey Hubby back to the Volcano
I m not sure u got it at all? The Volcano is not Man Made


I got it Nimrod.

I will agree that it is man-made in the sense that we have depleted the resources that we have built our complete world system upon.

I'm not so sure that the world temp increases or desertification or other issures can be as easily directly attriubted to our F-up. I think that they likely have, but it is harder to make that case.�”

“An $8,875,000 ocean-view villa with a swimming pool, spa and fountains, six fireplaces, five bedrooms, nine bathrooms is a perfect place from which to monitor sea levels, encourage others to live sustainably

http://www.latimes.com/features/home/la-hm-hotprop-gore-20100428,0,4103538.story”

“Yeah one is water the other is oil but.......

sending more than 8 million gallons an hour rushing down a hill into the nearby Charles River.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/05/repairs_underwa.html

the rig is spewing more than 200,000 gallons a day.

8,333 gallons an hour

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36912754/ns/us_news-environment/?GT1=43001
last edited: 5/03/10 10:51:39 AM”

“Al Gore's global-warming crusade shrinks
..along with his stature, his reputation, his marriage,
his...you get this picture.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/24/al-gores-global-warming-crusade-shrinks/”

“new ice age on the way?

coldest winter in 1,000 years?

http://rt.com/prime-time/2010-10-04/coldest-winter-emergency-measures.html”

“Reality check for flat eathers:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS119645399220100916”

“I'm glade it's not human beings that are causing all of this strange weather, let there be strange weather and there was strange weather. No need to get out of your car now, it's not the problem, nor is it each new Coal Generating Plant that opens every 4 days in China, it's the mysterious ways of the lard and we'll just have to live with it.”

“all these people on the grid while they're complaining about the environment

Maybe they're running on bicycle power?”

“Ad hominem.”

“Now the manmade global warmists believe they can manipulate the weather to reduce the global warming that man isn't causing

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