CONFISCATION HAVE BEGUN

“What is it the gun nuts are being deprived of that causes them to go postal on this issue?

What specific law are you guys pissed about?”

“i'm not pissed.”

“the right to stockpile for the next tea party”

““What is it the gun nuts are being deprived of that causes them to go postal on this issue?

What specific law are you guys pissed about?”
chili36

any real or perceived threat to amendment #2 gets us up in arms. ;)”

“So chili, because I defend a woman's rights to an abortion does that make me an abortion nut?

So why do you want to make yourself look so ignorant by calling us gun nuts?”

“OffTrack thinks if the government threatens to take away a Constitutional Right that he does not agree with, you are some sort of "nut".

If the government threatened to take away Offtracks's right to make intellectually dishonest ad hominem attacks protected by the First Amendment, I would support him if he chose to object.”

“Nigal, you are right and gun nut is a poor choice of words.

Now, what specifically has you in such a tizzy about gun control.

I listen to the gun,,,uhm advocates, position with a mixed amount humor and chagrin. Most, (and admittedly, not all), wave the Constitution over their head and utterly demand their Constitutional Rights. But let someone burn a flag, or obtain an abortion (both Constitutionally protected) and they go nuts (this is probably the beat place to use that word, Nigal).

I guess I tend to be pro Constitutional. However, I temper that by realizing it is a living document and that interpretation of the document is, and will continue to be, subject to debate.

However, I have not seen many US Supreme Court decisions (the sole interpreting body) that would cause me to believe there is a huge, looming threat to possession of weapons. The furor surrounding the issue seems to be whipped up by the NRA, who, as you would expect, benefits by having the issue on the forefront. That is the primary reason, I no long pay membership dues to them.

On a totally unrelated subject, I think the word "ignorance" when used by an advocate to describe his opponent is self revealing.”

“If the constitution were perfect, there would never be amendments.

We need to start making amendments to the Bible.”

“Perhaps the gun industry gets the NRA to whip up a little furor now and then to boost sales.

How many rounds of this whippin' up can there be before the public is thoroughly saturated with weapons and the ploy no longer works?”

“There are always more kids”

“it'll always work - we're a culture built on more.”

“Actually the furor is whipped up by extreme liberals like Congressmen Bobby Rush (former Black Panther gang member who did 6 months jail for a weapons charge) who proposed a bill now pending in Congress that would prohibit ownership of most firearms without prior registration.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp”

“Pastor shoots would-be robber at church

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090928/METRO01/909280370/1361/Pastor-shoots-would-be-robber-at-church

Detroit -- A pistol packing pastor shot and critically wounded a would-be thief Sunday after the suspect broke into his church.

According to Detroit News reporting partner WXYZ-Channel 7, the incident occurred when the suspect rode his bicycle to the Westside Bible Church, at Seven Mile and Winston. The pastor, a retired police lieutenant, was called to his church after being alerted by the burglar alarm company.

According to witnesses, the pastor confronted the suspect and was forced to shoot him after he tried to hit the minister. The suspect was held until police arrived on the scene.”

“Did he give him last rites?”

“I guess my beliefs won't let me declare a shooting to be a happy ending.”

“Most, (and admittedly, not all), wave the Constitution over their head and utterly demand their Constitutional Rights. But let someone burn a flag, or obtain an abortion (both Constitutionally protected) and they go nuts (this is probably the beat place to use that word, Nigal).


This is the way many are on both sides. It doesn't make them nuts. Hell, most liberals fall into this category including those who are indifferent to gun right, right? Right.

I'm not against gun registration as an idea. But the fact that guns are not registered is one of the things that are protecting our rights. While we are discussing Constitutionality we can ask the question, is registration a violation of the second amendment? The more important question is; does the Constitution give the federal government the power to demand registration. I think not.”

“from an idealistic level, registration is kind of scary. Say the people were to rise up en masse and rebel - now the government has a convenient list of every (legal) gun owner in the country, which would make putting down any rebellion ridiculously easy.

That said, rebellion is about as unlikely as martian invasion right now. Nobody, save for a handful of complete wackjobs, are truly willing to put their actual lives at risk to fight for what they believe in. They'll shout down town hall meetings, hold tea parties, and talk revolution on TV, but it'd never actually happen. Absolutely never. You could get a large chunk of the population all frothing at the mouth for revolution, but the second the talk ends and the actions begin, everyone will go home and blog about it instead.

So, with that in mind, I'm all for gun registration. If you're not going to use your gun(s) for anything illegal, then you have nothing to worry about. I'm not so naive to think that stricter registration laws would make it so criminals couldn't get their hands on guns, but the #&%!$ who shot up VA Tech would've likely been hindered, as well as god knows how many other shootings. It just makes sense to me for someone to keep tabs on something so potentially destructive as a firearm, and though I understand that it may not chide perfectly well with some interpretations of the constitution, who's to say a single document drafted by a handful of slave-owners 200 years ago should be held as the perfect and undeniable model for American life forever anyway?”

“Again, I ask does anyone think there is the quality of firepower out there to support a serious rebellion? My 30-30, shotgun and .22 aren't going far against even local law enforcement, let alone what firepower the feds can bring. I forgot about my bow and arrows; guess I could take Washington with that:)”

“not at all... but even if there was... even if barrett .50 cal sniper rifles and M60s were available at the counter of Wal Mart, no actual threatening percentage of the population would sack up and do it. We have it way too good. Revolutions occur under unbearable tyranny and injustice... we have American Idol and McDonalds and air conditioning and green lawns - no matter what person is running the country, we have too much to lose on a personal level to get out in the streets
last edited: 9/28/09 5:22:22 PM”

“I don't think registration will quash a rebellion any faster than a well armed batallion.

Any "rebellion" would just about require a civil war to have any chance of success.

The we have to stay armed to protect ourselves against the government is a tired argument. The ballot box is far more powerful. I think the argument would be way more credible if they would say we have to remain armed in case the hood gets out of control.”

“well, and all the benefits and stories about the positive side of gun ownership - I don't see how any of those are lost by having to register.”

“I really don't care if we do or don't register.

However the "sky is falling" argument is a bit over worked.”

“it isn't falling? You mean that software I got to keep my computer data safe if the sky fell was all a sham?”

“Where do you guys get this rebellion #&%!$ from? When did protecting gun right translate into over throwing the government?

Talk about only being able to deal with extremes...”

“I'm just trying to understand why the right gets in such an uproar over gun registration. It seems much ado about nothing or very little.”

“well, lets look at it the other way. What does registering a gun accomplish. If I registered my gun will that stop me from shooting up a school with it? If I register a gun will that magically cause me to lock it up in a gun safe away from children? Other than knowing who owns a gun, what is the actual benefit from registering?”

“bingo”

“
the camel toe --- !

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“STFU and stop trying to overthrow the gubmint Hyway!”

“Why stop with registration requirements of firearms. If that is okay, then people should have to pay registration fees to vote and should have to register in advance to make political speeches.

According to the History Channel's show, The Day After Disaster, the U.S. government has a contingency plan to implement a shadow government of non-elected officials to run the United States in violation of the U.S. Constitution in the event of a limited nuclear attack such as al Qaida exploding in U.S. cities nuclear bombs pilfered from the Soviet Union's old stockpile. Some experts in terrorism think that scenario is more than 50% likely in the next 20 years. Perhaps the only way to prevent such a scenario would be the presence of an armed citizenry that would prevent a select group of elitists from ignoring the Constitution.”

“All I know is that Wal-Mart's ammo shelves are EMPTY and have been for months......When I was buying my hunting lisence the other day I asked the guy why they weren't restocking them and he just snikered and said they are sold as soon as they come in...”

“With the victory over handguns in DC the opposition has seen that they can't go after the guns so now they will turn their attention towards ammo. Illinois is a good example of what ammo restrictions do but I'm sure Prosecutor can speak more about that than I can.”

“Yep, those camel toes scare the living #&%!$ outta these guys for some reason. But it's consistent with the generalized paranoia that motivates them to carry firearms at all times.

(churches, bars, national parks, Chuck E. Cheese et c.)”

“Prosecutor we already have a shadow government with the damn "Czars" of this and that.

Sadly that was a Reagan thing originally. My fear is that some unelected unaccountable thug gets in there. And using the Right wing demand for safety (because of another attack) will begin controlling media, etc "For our Safety".

This is what is really scary about the "National Police" idea.”

“�Why stop with registration requirements of firearms. If that is okay, then people should have to pay registration fees to vote and should have to register in advance to make political speeches.

According to the History Channel's show, The Day After Disaster, the U.S. government has a contingency plan to implement a shadow government of non-elected officials to run the United States in violation of the U.S. Constitution in the event of a limited nuclear attack such as al Qaida exploding in U.S. cities nuclear bombs pilfered from the Soviet Union's old stockpile. Some experts in terrorism think that scenario is more than 50% likely in the next 20 years. Perhaps the only way to prevent such a scenario would be the presence of an armed citizenry that would prevent a select group of elitists from ignoring the Constitution.�
prosecutor
4:13:10 AM
9/29/09

In response to paragraph one, take your constitutional law book down off the shelf and therein you will find the answers to those questions.

As to paragraph two, you have got to be kidding me. Arm everyone in your home town...no take in the whole county. Now, provided you work out the logistics to get them to Washington and can coordinate an attack on the Capitol and/or the White House, do you really expect they can not only "take over" leadership, but "hold" it?

Again, short of a full fledged "civil war", which would, by nature involve a split of our military, it just aint gonna happen. People can dream about it, they can talk about it, they can plan it. But I don't think they will fare any better than the Iraqi Army did in the first Gulf War.

If the government of the Unites States suspends the Constitution, the best we can hope for is a junta.”

““Why stop with registration requirements of firearms. If that is okay, then people should have to pay registration fees to vote and should have to register in advance to make political speeches.

According to the History Channel's show, The Day After Disaster, the U.S. government has a contingency plan to implement a shadow government of non-elected officials to run the United States in violation of the U.S. Constitution in the event of a limited nuclear attack such as al Qaida exploding in U.S. cities nuclear bombs pilfered from the Soviet Union's old stockpile. Some experts in terrorism think that scenario is more than 50% likely in the next 20 years. Perhaps the only way to prevent such a scenario would be the presence of an armed citizenry that would prevent a select group of elitists from ignoring the Constitution.”
prosecutor
4:13:10 AM
9/29/09


See what happens when the gun nuts get their way, they run out of things to #&%!$ about and start finding weird conspiracy theories.”

“I agree with Hyway on this one. What would a gun registry really accomplish?”

“It's too late for a gun registry in the US. It would cause far more problems than it would solve.”

“I think we should register "reporters. Commentators, etc"

If you are a reporter you cannot offer opinion. If you are a commentator you have the disclaimer that this is OPINION and if you reference something you have to give a reference point.”

“ "Some experts in terrorism think that scenario is more than 50% likely in the next 20 years."

And some people are just cracked enough to buy the armed hero fantasy.”

“Perhaps the only way to prevent such a scenario would be the presence of an armed citizenry that would prevent a select group of elitists from ignoring the Constitution

It won't happen. People like to have the option to do this (for obvious reasons), and it's worth the political fight, but the chances of this soft society pulling it off is slim to none. The government will maintain control through force, and it would take no less than total govenrment and military collapse and subsequent 3rd world conditions to bring about armed citizen revolution in this country. Millions would die.
last edited: 9/29/09 6:39:23 AM”

“Given background checks and the current law, don't we already have a form of registration?

Is it only the secondary market and/or black market purchases that people are complaining about as far as registration goes?”

“With so many guns out there in the good old US of A it's going to be like the Old West out there!”

““With so many guns out there in the good old US of A it's going to be like the Old West out there!

Does that make your balls tingle?

This ain't a movie, its real life.”

“No, it's a movie.....more like a cartoon, actually.




PS: What's with the fixation on other men's balls?”

“The 'History' Channel is now "the #&%!$ Channel".

Way Ta Go, Rupert.”

“

He's a rather gay looking fellow......perhaps a touch sadistic.

"fixation"?
You mean like fondling other men's guns all day?

Not me, I've got my hands full playing with my own balls.”

“OH man the "Wild West Days" crap....LOL

Okay when Texas instituted their Conceal Carry stuff. There was a newly approved gun owner who tapped the back of the tire of some huge thug in Dallas on I635.

The Thug comes back to the car, punches the window and proceeds to begin beating the smaller man. The Smaller man drew a gun and thug became DRT. He assumed Room Temp, He was no more, he was an ex-waste of air.

The paper went bananas about WILD WEST. To which a writer replied. "No what this means is if you are some sweaty biker you can't go around punching smaller helpless people."”

“While the exchange could very well have played out that way. I am always a little suspicious of what really happened to cause someone to just go postal and break out a window and start beating the crap out of someone.

My human experience tells me the smaller guy was not as pure as the driven snow.

However, nothing that he could say would justify the thug's actions.”