CONFISCATION HAVE BEGUN

“Change "parents" to "guardian" then. If the courts take away guardianship from the parents then the courts can give permission, but not while the parents still have legal guardianship.”

“That was a well defined statement of you position, hyway.”

“thats a good point, and a difficult question. do you have an answer?
last edited: 9/25/09 8:25:07 AM”

“i dont think that really is a good answer to mutt's question. what about the abused girls who havent been or wont ever be taken from their parents/guardians? there are thousands of girls in bad situations like that.

we shouldnt give blanket permission to underage girls, but at the same time, perhaps girls in those bad situations should have the option. things like this need to be taken on a case by case basis
last edited: 9/25/09 8:30:17 AM”

“I think hyway articulated what I feel but was unable to put in words.”

“Are you suggesting the creation of an abortion czar? 8)”

“Interesting thread....

Canadians loose their guns
Zac afraid he could too
Let's get rid of babies
Beer 101
Whale Sex
Back to the baby question

If we can somehow incorporate College Footbal into this, we could get everyone on the board involved.
last edited: 9/25/09 8:34:48 AM”

““No woman should ever be allowed an abortion if the father chooses to raise the child

i couldnt agree more. however, i fear that this will never happen. i mean, how do you regulate that? does the father sign a contract. how do you enforce that? great idea in theory, very difficult (but worthy) goal in practice”
crash bang
11:32:05 AM
9/25/09

I have no doubt it would be difficult, but I guess it would go the same way as getting child support from the unwed father of a child. Before a woman can get an abortion she must identify the father just like she has to do to seek child support. If its disputed then DNA testing can be used to determine paternity. Then the father should share in the cost of the abortion.

This is just a rough idea of how it could work. I am sure it can be improved on.”

“Contrarily, I tend to migrate to the left as I see the right wanting to impose a total ban and to "force the left" to accept their way of thinking on the "life" issue.

That is much the same reason I oppose the Ten Commandments in a public building. Leaving them out doesn't stop you from reading and following the Ten Commandments. Putting them in there "forces" the non believers to be subjected to them.

I am very much pro choice.”

“College football is an abortion.”

“Before a woman can get an abortion she must identify the father just like she has to do to seek child support. If its disputed then DNA testing can be used to determine paternity. Then the father should share in the cost of the abortion.

i like it. im voting hyway for abortion czar”

“Like DH said, hyway has said what I feel.

On top of that, can't we make adoption laws more strict? You get pregnant and don't want to keep the child, you give it up. period, no second guessing a month or year after you have signed the child's life away to the new parents.

Plenty of people in the US would adopt if they knew the birth mother and or father would show up at a later date demanding custody back.”

“Bama football rulz, Tennessee football drools.

There, we have a fully unified thread.”

“also, boobs

beer”

““i dont think that really is a good answer to mutt's question. what about the abused girls who havent been or wont ever be taken from their parents/guardians? there are thousands of girls in bad situations like that.

we shouldnt give blanket permission to underage girls, but at the same time, perhaps girls in those bad situations should have the option. things like this need to be taken on a case by case basis
last edited: 9/25/09 11:30:17 AM”
crash bang
11:57:23 AM
9/25/09

I don't see why it should be treated any differently than any other medical procedure for underaged persons. A child should never ever ever have a procedure of this magnitude without the parents knowledge whether or not the parents give consent. If the child gets a judge to give her permission for the procedure the parents should be told before it is done.”

“ If the child gets a judge to give her permission for the procedure the parents should be told before it is done.�

i dont disagree with that. i think i should amend my position to "if it is a family member who got the girl pregnant, then the court should have jurisdiction, and her rapist would be investigated"

tricky issue”

“American's freedom to do what the bible says, all others need not try or apply?”

“now, I think we're all dancing around the real issue here... should aborted fetuses be forced to register their guns? The last thing this country needs is an underground fetus army”

“I say its the first thing this country needs.

But in all seriousness, I think a fetus should have the right to defend itself against stem cell invasion
last edited: 9/25/09 9:24:34 AM”

“I picture a fetus packing an M249 and saying "abort this, motherf#@*&!!!"”

“Fetuses should not have to register their guns, but you should have to register your fetuses.”

“yawn.....”

“Speaking of an army of fetuses, wasn't there a 20-pounder born the other day? I want that kid on my side, gun or no gun.”

“wasn't that a lobsta?”

“Or mobsta.”

“Holy cow, I hope the little dude came out by C section.”

“I'm sure Jr. will make a great offensive tackle some day”

“If we can somehow incorporate College Footbal into this, we could get everyone on the board involved.
last edited: 9/25/09 11:34:48 AM”
Wounded Knee
12:02:33 PM
9/25/09

Screw that. Football sucks.”

“Conservative versus Liberal

If a conservative doesn’t like guns, they don’t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, then no one should have one.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life.
If a liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.

If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection..

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal wants any mention of God or religion silenced.

If a conservative needs health care, he shops for it, or chooses a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his health care.”

“A liberal lives in reality.
A conservative twists the #&%!$ out of it to make things appear different than they are.”

“reality is for people who can't handle drugs”

“Great post stratd00d. So true. But you forgot the last one,

"If a conservative doesn't like abortion, she doesn't get one.
Liberals demand that all taxpayers pay for their abortions under the guise of "health care."
http://community2.myfoxorlando.com/_Conservative-v-Liberal/blog/818706/72667.html?b=”

“They'd rather have their dicks cut off.”

“Good one Prosecuter, how could I forget that one? Joe Wilson was right.....

Nimblefoot, which one's do you disagree with?

Tilt, quit thinking about my dick....”

“One thru nine. Other than that, we're in complete agreement.”

“only a complete fool would attempt to pigeonhole people into two groups and make ridiculous generalizations about them”

““but, to answer your question anyways, the purpose of a gun is to wound, kill, or intimidate. that is why they all need to be registered”
crash bang

did you register all your knives? butter other otherwise?”

“Also if you're walking on a street and they ask you to show I.D....and you don't or did not carry any....they can haul you to jail.

stanlee
no different in the states, actually.”

“One thru nine. Other than that, we're in complete agreement.�
Nimblefoot

Ok well can you give me examples of why you have that opinion? All of the things on the list are happening every daym by liberals.”

“yes, all liberals see themselves as victims... all liberals want to outlaw guns and want to make everyone else pay for their healthcare.

Come on now, I KNOW you aren't that dense. I know it's a lot easier to group every person into an us vs. them situation, but it's just not the way the world works. It's that kind of mindset that's gotten this country (and world) into the dire situation it's in, and a continuation of such thought will only lead us further away from the ideal situation”

“I could post examples of every single thing on that list that perfectly illustrate each point. You know it, I know it, and now you know that I know it. If you don't agree with those things then I guess you're not a liberal because those issues DEFINE liberals.”

“you can post examples that prove that EVERY liberal believes those things, or just that some individuals do? I can give you plenty of examples of conservatives who believe some crazy things, but I wouldn't dare claim that all conservatives do because of a few wackos.

If you think a liberal is defined as someone who believes in freeloading healthcare from his/her neighbor, then you REALLY need to read up on basic politics, d00d”

“YEs, I believe that. Maybe some of them don't think ahead to the real unindended consequences of the liberal mindset and many have good intentions but yes I aboslutely believe that they are all true true true. Especially if you look at the "liberal leadership"

Basic politics? Tell us all where you go to read up on basic politics. I'd love to know where you gained so much more knowledge than any one else. What sources do you trust for such information?”

“The fact that you believe such an absurd generalization explains a lot of your nonsense. That's really too bad. It's disappointing that there are still people out there who see things in such stark black and white terms. Thankfully, even in these sad political times, people with viewpoints as narrow (albeit loud) as yours are almost completely irrelevant.

As for learning about basic politics... might I recommend reading a book or two? Give it a shot.

Oh wait, I forgot, all conservatives hate books and are anti-intellectuals.
last edited: 9/25/09 5:26:43 PM”

“Reading through your exchange with Pepsi only confirms why I didn't reply seriously to your post. You were trolling. If your thinking is that black and white, you're part of the problem. Very few are completely liberal or completely conservative. Progress won't be made until people get off their need to label those with whom they disagree and start thinking of all of us as Americans. Labels only divide. To the extent that people like you and Prosecutor do that makes you a serious part of that problem. Same with me when I do it..”

“So you're ashamed to admit that you think that way and you think it's better to pretend you're a moderate? I guess ambiguity is an attractive trait in you mind.

Saying that people who think like me are irrelevant and anti-intellectual is an absurd generalization on your part but it's ok for liberals to do that.....is that what you mean?

What books would reccomend for learning about basic politics??”

“omg, d00d you dummy

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm”

“Nimble, like I said, if you don't agree with the liberal side on that list, then you're not a liberal. So we agree. The question is, do you agree with those liberal viewpoints or not? if you don't think like that, then you're not a liberal progressive in the 2009 sense.”

“You want a reading list? Start here:

Politics for Dummies
http://www.amazon.com/Politics-Dummies-Ann-DeLaney/dp/0764508873/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253925340&sr=8-1

The Complete Idiot's Guide to American Government
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-American-Government-Second/dp/1592573282/ref=pd_sim_b_1

once you get through those, we can move to a bit more advanced sources”

“Ya know, if you guys were as quick to chastise people like tilt for doing the same thing your position might be taken more seriously.”