CONFISCATION HAVE BEGUN

“I and many other firearm owners knew this was going to happen ever since they forced gun owners to re-register their firearms.....over 10-15 years ago.

Last month Toronto, Ontario police "seized" over 600 firearms from legal owners because they've let their firearms ownership licenses lapse and/or had their firearms hidden "under beds or in closets".

Notice it was not mentioned that those owners were "bad" people or that those firearms were illegal. The govt' are using the "Gun Registry".....which originally was supposed to only let them know who owns firearms......to track down legal gun owners. So now a few hundred citizens in Toronto will have no firearms to hunt, enjoy shooting and to protect themselves if there is an home invasion. No firearms were taken from "bad people" in that raid.”

“bad people weren't dumb enough to register their guns ;)”

“i can see both sides of the argument. on the one hand, no one is going to come seize your car if youve let your insurance or your registration lapse (payments are another thing!)

on the other hand, why couldnt these "good" people be bothered to register? why did they hide their guns, if they were doing nothing wrong?”

“I'm sure that's making everyone safer.

Hopefully the US will continue to make pro-gun ownership strides in the future.”

“I have firearms to protect myself from Mutt. So far it's worked.”

“Big fvcking deal.”

“The bigger issue is that they are using the registry to invade your home to take way your gun. If you had not registered the only way they could have taken it away is if you used it illegally or did something illegal to cause then to get a legal search warrant. of course, this is Canada and maybe the laws of home invasions are different there.”

“i do have to agree that this is carrying it too far, but ya gotta register that piece

gun-owners should be the last people to start thinking theyre above the law”

“also,

"has"

AND STOP SHOUTING!!!1111ONEONEONE”

“stanlee - how did they know they were under the bed?

The point of the 2nd amendment in the U.S. is to be able to fight the government if they take our other rights. We should never have to register to the government. That defeats the purpose when they can come in and confiscate them.”

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Canadian Gun Nuts Flood South

Great! Now they'll fill up the emergency rooms looking for free health care.

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“Crash, what if it was something different, say everyone had to register their computer and get a computer license from the government?

What's the next step in the process? How long until they start confiscating guns from people that are registered?”

“OOOoooh. The camel toe under the tent.”

“and.andd and and what if you have to start registering the boogers in your nose?”

“HPD, are you opposed to registering your car?”

“All said firearms confiscated....if I read the news report correctly.....have been registered before (That is why the govt' know where they are). The "Gun Registry" originally was suppose to have the owners re-register them once.....now the govt' wants the owners to keep on registering them every 5 years (Meaning more money for the govt').

The firearms that were "Hidden under beds or in closets" were to keep any would-be home invaders from finding them....I would think. Not to be "hidden" from the authorities.....since they already know the owners own the firearm(s).”

“Cool.”

“They could have been unregistered guns found while they were confiscating the previously registered but now unregistered guns. IE, they came to seize one gun, but found 3 more that had never been registered. So the 600 guns is likely to have involved quite a bit fewer than 600 gun owners.”

“Is it still legal to own buggy whips,?”

“You can whip it.”

“Are the gun owners compensated for the seized guns?

As to the question about registering your car, you only have to do that if you plan to use it on public roads. If you use it on your farm, ranch, private community, etc it doesn't have to be. Also, what would you say if the government confiscated your car because you let the registration lapse, especially if they don't compensate you for the loss.”

“ive already agreed that this is going too far, hyway. why are you arguing with me about it?”

“but, to answer your question anyways, the purpose of a gun is to wound, kill, or intimidate. that is why they all need to be registered”

“Without knowing more about Canandian Law, it's hard for me to determine wtf happened.

I don't think I can make any conclusion applying American legal principals to the situation.”

“The firearms that were "Hidden under beds or in closets" were to keep any would-be home invaders from finding them....I would think.

That's funny...because if I was a home invader, the first place I would look for a gun would be the closet, under the bed and in the nightstand. Alas, I could never be a home invader. I'm too klutzy.”

“Actually the laws in Canada are more strict than in the States.....read more totalitarian. Quite a few years ago I saw a t.v program....news report if I remember correctly....and said that Canadians have been de-railed into thinking that the laws of the States are similar to Canadian laws. The Canadian govt'.....any police branch can raid any home/property/vehicle without any suspicion or cause. Also if you're walking on a street and they ask you to show I.D....and you don't or did not carry any....they can haul you to jail.

HighPlainsDrifter: "How did they know they were under the bed?"

Well, I guess in a raid....they'll ask where the firearms were kept....if you refuse to answer....that's another ticket. If you answered they'll still use metal detectors and/or X-ray machines to check your home and property....if more are found....you're getting fingerprinted and a free "photo" session.”

“Canada should be arming its citizens, not disarming. Who knows when the US will develop another War Plan Red.”

“Also, what would you say if the government confiscated your car because you let the registration lapse,?

In the state of Maryland if you let your insurance or registration lapse the government will take your license plates.
They don't want the car.”

“look, all i know is that in canada, pot is almost legal and topless beaches are everywhere

ill trade boobies and bud for thundersticks ANY DAY”

“The point of the 2nd amendment in the U.S. is to be able to fight the government if they take our other rights.

That sounds more like 2nd grade.”

“Yay, Crash Bang!!”

““look, all i know is that in canada, pot is almost legal and topless beaches are everywhere

ill trade boobies and bud for thundersticks ANY DAY”
crash bang
11:02:56 AM
9/24/09

You do realize it is dang cold in Canada. The only women that go topless are the ones that have the extra insulation to battle the cold. Not something most people want to see topless.
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“You do relieve it is dang cold in Canada

have you ever been there in summer?”

“Yes, I have. I spent two weeks on Price Edward Island several years ago.

P.S. I was being facetious.”

“I love watching gun nuts like Mutt wet their pants over this stuff.”

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Oooray, up she rises
Oooray, up she rises
Oooray, and up she rises
Ear-ly in the morning!

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"Save the Whales"
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“Hyway:"They could have been unregistered guns found..."

"....involved quite a bit fewer than 600 gun owners."

"Are the gun owners compensated for the seized guns?"

From the news article.....no mention of any illegal unregistered firearms were confiscated.....only previously registered ones.

As mentioned in the original post....over 600 firearms were "seized". But I didn't (And the news article) say they were from 600 owners. At the end of my post I said a few hundred owners do not have those firearms anymore.

No, the owners do not get compensated for their seized firearms.

lilmountaingirl: "That's funny...because if I was a home invader....."

I think most home invaders are there for the money, jewelry and electronics. They don't expect Canadians to own firearms.
Plus....the govt' expect the firearm owners to have a safe for their firearms. It doesn't make sense and not feasible....it's like advertising to the criminal....hey, my firearm(s) are all in one spot. Not feasible because a long gun is about $175.00Can up....and the cheapest safe is about $100.00 (Which can be broken into easily)....so you'll need a really good safe.....about $700.00 up.”

“I'm not arguing with you Crash, I was just discussing it further.

I have no problem with being required to register my car if I want to use it on public roads. Nor with them taking my plates if I don't keep it registered. I do have a problem with being required to register your guns, mostly because of what this thread is about, and because the end goal of the requirement wouldn't be for safety but to eventually take your guns when they pass the law making them illegal. Very few people are trying to make cars illegal.”

“I love watching gun nuts like Mutt wet their pants over this stuff.”
roseymonster
9:15:57 AM
9/24/09

Hmmmm......Depends”

“and because the end goal of the requirement wouldn't be for safety but to eventually take your guns when they pass the law making them illegal. -- Hyway

What a buncha paranoid conjecture if I ever heard it.

Lessee, since Obama has gotten into office, gun laws have gotten laxer, not more stringent. Note that YESTERDAY, people are now allowed to carry on Amtrak.

Redneck paranoia at its finest.”

“HMM then we turn to Australia...or England.”

“stan, do you have a link to the article. I googled this but didn't find much. I wonder if the municipality sent out reminder notes to re-register like they do with car registrations, pet licenses, businesses licenses, etc., and these people just ignored them. Or if they treated this situation differently and performed the raids without any previous requests to update the registration.”

“I wonder if the nut who shot up all those people on the subway still in the nuthouse.”

“Need more facts than the article presents, but I would not put it past the anti-gun folks to desire such an outcome. I hope they remember the constitution says something about due process being required to take property, unreasonable search and seizure, and the right to bear arms. We'll have to see how our new mix of justices interpret those, especially the last one. Meanwhile, where can I get some ammunition to store up?”

“oh my god! the canadian police siezed SIX HUNDRED guns! it's the end of the world!

in the united states over 60 MILLION people own firearms. there are over 200 MILLION firearms in circulation.

NONE of them are subject to the laws of the canadian government.
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“I don't know why you are talking about guns in teh US most of are talking about the Canada story.”

“But the Camel Toe! The Camel Toe!”

“"but to eventually take your guns when they pass the law making them illegal. Very few people are trying to make cars illegal.�
hyway
8:23:53 AM
9/24/09

I just don't see the impending threat of having guns made "illegal".

I light of the most recent Supreme Court opinions, I have serious doubts it could even happen.”

“I agree with you chili that they will never be illegal, but the ultimate goal of many of the people pushing for these laws IS to make them illegal. That is what makes for bad laws.



(similar to the health care debate. I am sure someone could write a healthcare bill that would be a good law, but there are too many agendas involved in the current attempt to make for an effective healthcare bill.”