McCain picks Palin

“I am not terrible excited about Palin - Birch

I'm a little surprised at that. Palin is a nutty religionist. I thought you'd appreciate that:
Mutt

I have never been an advocate of teaching religious beliefs in a school. Thats for the home. Nor does my faith put blinders to reality on my eyes. Good try though. You points for effort.”

“One thing that will be interesting is to see whether she can handle the spotlight. She's has nothing even remotely like this focus on her.

For all the love coming her way from some on here I think even they must be a little concerned about it.

I mean seriously - do you not think the Obama team are there rubbing their hands now?”

“The Obama team is rubbing their panties clean of crap.”

“Y2, if Tilt's previous remark is any indication of what Obama's team is going to have to resort to to ding her, then I imagine they're busy crapping their drawers.”

“Good try though. - birch

Huh? What was I trying to do aside from express mild incredulity?”

“I would love to know if anyone here would vote for a candiate of a different party than their own. A few people here I believe would switch sides, but there are others that would vote for a pile of #&%!$ it were in his or her party.”

“First off a candidate that can win his party's nomination probably wouldn't be in line with the politics of a voter in the opposite party.

Obama is out there promising everything, including the kitchen sink, to everyone (except the very rich). Even if I didn't know what his voting record was before he started his presidential bid, I still couldn't trust someone that offers everything to everyone.”

“Oh boy
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“I wonder how Michelle will take it when she finds out Barak has been porking the volunteers, sorry I meant "Sweetie"s

or maybe he is smarter than Gary Hart
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“Come on Manuka - you're looking almost as desperate as McCain is.”

“"McCain, who is highly versed in foreign policy,..."

Mutt
11:22:51 AM
8/29/08

and a fine example of McCain's knowledge can be found in recent news clips of him talking about policies in CZECHOSLOVAKIA.

even my twelve year old knows that Czechoslovakia hasn't existed for 15 years.”

“The willful ignorance and selective recognition is strong with the Obamabots.”

“Pedxing, not to be a smartbutt but where did you go to school? Do you know the number of branches of federal government? Do you know what their functions are? Do you know which branch is responsible for spending and budgets?

I realize that the world is full of doofuses who talk about a president’s budget, I just didn’t think you were one of them.




Dang it, Marko! I had a post all set to chew your butt with if you had taken the bait I dangled. You have no sense of fairness.
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“I'd say the diversion worked pretty well. � How many noticed that today was McCain's 72nd birthday? � LOL

Sure.... every mayor of a village of 5500 is automatically qualified to be the leader of the free world. � Remember Harriet Myers?



Whoa ---- That gov't work will sure take it out of you, eh?

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You can put your clothes back on, now, Sarah Louise.

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“Oh, and I voted for McCain back in 2000 (before the werewolf bit him).”

“The Obama campaign questions Palin's experience.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA”

“Its been fum watching the democrats eat their own feet today. The funniest thing is the people saying that she should stay home to take care of her family. What a hoot it is to see democrats saying that women belong barefoot in the kitchen. If this campaign lasts long enough they might even start demanding to end women's suffrage”

“tiltTiltBLAM is claiming he voted in a Republican Primary.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA”

“I don't give a damn what her politics are. All I know is we need a Sara Palin Atonement thread and I mean right effing now!

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“Hey, iof McCain/Palin lose dose the right get to claim it's just because America is massaginist?”

“MILF”

“Y2,
not really, time after time charismatic public leaders have believed their own hype.
Gary Hart's stupidity was doing this AFTER challenging the Press to "Catch me", well they did. He did not realize that he was not JFK, and did not get a Press pass on personal shenanigans.

Obama's Denver performance orchestrated to show him (almost) like an Emperor/Deliverer (from the evil Bush). But if he starts to believe the hype he can crash as fast as he rose, or even faster. He has already made a couple of v/minor gaffes showing less respect for women.

Now it is a given that McCain falls far short on the Charisma chart, actually I have never seen any signs, but perhaps Palin can put a little pizazz into the Republican campaign. It certainly needs it.

Now if we only had a viable 3rd party.,Of course I do realize that any such party that appealed to me would not to you, and vice versa.

So November will again be a vote against a party rather than a vote for a party. Which candidate will do the least damage to my lifestyle.

Are you now able to vote Y2, or are you still holding a passport to the empire of yesteryear?”

“I'm not Maunka - I generally avoid playing an active role in politics here as I don't think I should unless I actually take the next step and become a citizen. So no political donations or efforts from me beyond a few posts on here really (which I doubt is going to change anyone's mind, and is really just passing the time).

I do find the process fascinating though, but feel I'm outside looking in.

I don't know, I've just been depressed by the nature of the McCain campaign really. Just continual personalized negativity. I've always liked McCain even if I only agree with him on a limited number of things, but he seems to have sold out, maybe after losing to Bush in 2000 and being behind in the polls this time.

The celebrity ad, the attacks saying he puts politics over patriotism. There's the smell of Rove politicing all over McCain's campaign.

It just concerns me that should McCain get elected we'll have another four years with a team who seems to think that their ends are so important that they always justify the means.”

“WOW! After reading the posts, I see the light!

And here I thought people complain about elections being popularity contests, instead of dealing with the issues, because they care about the substance of issues such as the economy.

I guess there's a reason we keep getting popularity contests.

Nice pics. Do we have any before and after pictures of Hillary? In a bikini? How about in some lingerie'? I’d be sure to make up my mind after I knew what type of lipstick she preffers.”

“Yep. � McCain has sold his soul and it's a sorry sight.... all these methods he used to say he abhorred. � It makes me wonder who the real John McCain is. � Was it the one from 2000 or 2008?

I guess that's also part of the 'bushification' process.”

“a team who seems to think that their ends are so important that they always justify the means.
Y2

The vile Mainstream Democratic Blogg, The Daily Kos, is now claiming the underage daughter of the Republican VP pick had the new baby and the 'Mom' is covering for her.

Downs parents will love this, a Daily Kos poster is saying Palin only has 4.25 kids.

thinking that their ends are so important that they always justify the means, indeed.”

“But now that he has no integrity, he appeals to you, � ROF”

“This is an interesting, admittedly probably fairly one-sided piece, but we're going to be hearing a lot more of this stuff.

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/what-is-mccain-thinking-one-alaskans-perspective/

Wasilla has a population of about 5500 people, and 1979 occupied housing units. This is where your potential Vice President was two short years ago. Can you imagine her negotiating a nuclear non-proliferation treaty? Discussing foreign policy? Understanding non-Alaskan issues? Frankly, I don’t even know if she’s ever been out of the country. She may ‘get’ Alaska, but there are only a half a million people here. Don’t get me wrong….I love Alaska with all my heart. I’m just saying.

This is a point I like, for all the talk of being from outside Washington there needs to be at least some understanding of how the political process works, and an understanding of how the rest of the world works.

Many of the problems this present administration has stem from the lack of understanding of the rest of the world (you have to understand it to work it to your advantage). I can barely even think what a Palin administration would take to the next G8 summit.”

“Question for you guys who say he made a bad choice.

What candidate for VP might he have picked that you would have been okay with, and would've come on here singing their praises?

Something tells me he could've picked Huffington or Hillary and you'd suddenly be complaining about them. No?”

“I think it was an incredibly weak Republican field this year with no standout candidates.

I think it's too early to say if he made a bad choice. Lets hear her speak on a few things first, off-script.”

“Was there a strong field last time? Any standouts?”

“No, not really, I think occasionally we see some politicians with a midas touch come along.

Reagan, Clinton, maybe Obama, but that's yet to be seen (but we shouldn't underestimate the task of beating the Clintons' in their own party).

Gore was poor, Kerry was poor, Bush senior not so hot, Carter not, Dole not - and so on. Dubya was more about staying on a simple message and weak opposition.

And I'm not talking about whether you agree with them politically or not, but whether they deliver the goods in terms of politics.”

“Who cares what a nonvoter thinks.”

“Well, since he had no choice but to pick somebody who is political a bad choice, at least he picked somebody who is hot. It's like we're living an episode of Battlestar Gallactica or a new Star Trek.”

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That pick appears to be an Early Christmas for the opposition.

The VP debate will be interesting -----

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“ALRIGHT! A substantive discussion of issues!

A nuclear non-proliferation treaty
Sounds important. We need change! We’ll discuss specifics later

Foreign policy
Sounds important. We need change! We’ll discuss specifics later

Non-Alaskan issues?
Sounds important. We need change! We’ll discuss specifics later

How the political process works.
Sounds important. We need change! We’ll discuss specifics later

How the rest of the world works.
Sounds important. We need change! We’ll discuss specifics later

The 'bushification' process.
Sounds important. We need change! We’ll discuss specifics later

Integrity.
Sounds important. We need change! We’ll discuss specifics later


We don’t need to talk about specifics right now because we all have a clear understanding of the problems, and we all agree that we need change, and we all know what that means.”

““Pedxing, not to be a smartbutt but where did you go to school? Do you know the number of branches of federal government? Do you know what their functions are? Do you know which branch is responsible for spending and budgets?

I realize that the world is full of doofuses who talk about a president’s budget, I just didn’t think you were one of them.

arclite
11:43:35 PM
8/29/08

Well Arclite, one thing I learned in High School, that apparently you did not with all the economics you say you have studied, is that the President submits a budget every year.

Through this and other means, the President has significant leadership power, should he choose to exercise it. He also has veto power, should he chose to use it.

Since you preferred calling me a doofus to answering my first question, here is another chance to offer insults. How many spending bills did the current President Bush veto during his first term in office as we moved from budget surplus to chronic deficits?”

“The Paris Hilton comparison for Obama is more real than the MSM is willing to admit.”

“For you graduates-one word: 'Supplemental Spending'.”

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� � � .... which still requires the dufus' signature.

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“Democrat Don Fowler laughing about Gustav - "God is on our side"...

What a sick, diseased mind to think this, not to mention say it and get caught on tape.
Loss of life is nothing to a certain TT poster and the Democrats compared to their gaining power. They welcomed every lost life in Iraq as an arrow they could shoot at Bush. They worked toward our defeat there because they thought it would help them.

Psychotics don�t have the capacity to feel regret.”

“Bush vetoed no Congressional budget submittals in his first term. Bush’s first veto of a budget submitted by Congress came in 2007.

So what’s your point? The President may submit a budget to Congress? Uh Huh… So what? And who controls the budget spending? Are you saying, as do many doofuses, it’s the president?...

…WRONG.

The president's budget is just a recommendation.

I assume you are aware, as is any informed citizen, that so-called “fiscal conservatives” have been extremely upset with federal spending during the Bush administration. It is one reason for Bush’s low ratings.


Pedxing, if there’s one thing I’ve learned from our conversations over the years, it’s that you have great trouble admitting when you’re wrong. You either change the subject or ignore the issue. I cannot imagine this pleases your wife.


The legislative branch is responsible for spending and budgets.

Powers of Congress
The Constitution grants numerous powers to Congress. These include the powers: to levy and collect taxes, provide for common defense and general welfare of the U.S.; to borrow money on the credit of the U.S.; to regulate commerce with other nations and between the states; to establish a uniform rule of naturalization; to coin money and regulate its value; provide for punishment for counterfeiting; establish post offices and roads, promote progress of science, create courts inferior to the Supreme Court, define and punish piracies and felonies, declare war, raise and support armies, provide and maintain a navy, make rules for the regulation of land and naval forces, provide for, arm, and discipline the militia, exercise exclusive legislation in the District of Columbia, and make laws necessary and proper to execute the powers of Congress.


Budget of the United States Government
According to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, the president must annually submit a budget to Congress by the first Monday in February. The proposed spending plan, the president's budget must show:

The condition of the Treasury at the end of the last completed fiscal year.
The estimated condition of the Treasury at the end of the current fiscal year.
The estimated condition of the Treasury at the end of the next fiscal year if the budget proposals are carried out.

The President's Budget is basically a series of goals with price tags attached. It allows the President to provide a suggested spending framework to Congress for use in deciding (1) how much money to spend, (2) what to spend it on, and (3) how to raise the money they have decided to spend. According to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, the President must annually submit a budget to Congress by the first Monday in February. In addition to the proposed spending plan, the President's Budget must show:

The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) assists the president in the creation of the president's budget by gathering data from agencies and compiling it into the final plan to be approved by the president.

The totals for the current and upcoming fiscal years are only projected amounts. Annual budget documents provide Congress, State and local governments, and the public with a complete description of the president's budget plans for the coming fiscal year. Other related and supporting budget publications, such as the Economic Report of the President, are included, which may vary from year to year.

According to the Constitution, all Federal appropriations must be authorized by Congress. This is a source of great power for Congress known as the "power of the purse". Once the President's Budget is received by Congress, the House of Representatives works to create a budget resolution, which sets the base line level of spending for the Federal Government as required by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974. Once this bottom line is established, Congress acts to decide how this level of funding will be dispersed among Federal activities.


Congress has its own budget process, established by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, also known as the Congressional Budget Act. The act detailed aspects of the Congressional budget process, including the Congressional budget resolution, and also established the House and Senate Budget Committees and the Congressional Budget Office.


The Republican takeover of Congress in 1994 led to a push for a balanced budget as part of the Republican Contract with America campaign, continuing deficit reductions by President Clinton consistent with his 1992 campaign promise. Despite political conflicts with President Clinton, the Legislature and the Chief Executive reduced the deficit.

Major economic growth and spending controls such as welfare reform, favored by both the President and Congress, allowed for a balanced budget (when the Social Security surplus was counted as revenue) by early in Clinton's second term - considerably earlier than what Clinton's own projections for this had indicated and, afterwards, a surplus which actually allowed the retirement of some government debt.

Momentarily, the deficit issue faded from view. Despite the nominal surplus, the national debt grew each year of the Clinton presidency since the surplus is not applied against spending in this calculation.




Watch a Republican president veto the budget. We get newspaper stories about how the poor and little children will suffer.

When Bush tried to veto spending, here’s what the Washington Post reported:

“…Bush rejected a $606 billion bill to fund education, health and labor programs, …”

$606 billion for education, health and labor programs? Do they mean to say that the entire $606 billion was to help educate our children, keep our children healthy, and to keep our countrymen employed? HOW GHASTLY that Bush would even considering this! What a Nazi!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2007/11/13/ST2007111301722.html

Here is the White House take on the veto:

This bill spends too much. It exceeds the reasonable and responsible levels for discretionary spending that I proposed to balance the budget by 2012. The Congress is on a path to spend $205 billion more over the next 5 years than I requested. This puts a balanced budget in jeopardy and risks future tax increases. This year, the Congress plans to overspend my budget by $22 billion, of which $10 billion is for increases in this bill. Health care, education, job training, and other goals can be achieved without this excessive spending if the Congress sets priorities.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/11/20071113-6.html


The Washington Post article goes further:

“…The showdown evokes the budget battle of 1995 between President Bill Clinton and a Republican Congress that led to the federal government's shutdown. A politically weakened Clinton used that episode to redefine himself, …”


Redefine himself? Did Clinton take out PR adds so he could redefine himself to the American public? Who was responsible for this positive Clinton redefinition?

Well here is just one of the self-interested parties who “redefined” Clinton:

http://www.thebody.com/content/policy/art31443.html

Not that their concerns aren’t valid, but their outrageous, Chicken Little arguments are so typically leftist:

“…dismantled the health care safety net that Medicaid has come to represent for millions of poor and medically needy American… devastating cuts… his veto today of a heartless budget bill… He must continue to protect Medicaid and other vital federal AIDS programs from those who would balance the federal budget on the backs of this nation's most vulnerable citizens…needless pain and hastened deaths…”

This type of doom and gloom apparently sells to the emotionally dysfunctional left.


Followers of Keynesian economics believe that the government could deliberately engage in deficit spending during times of recession as a method of economic stimulation. Most so-called “fiscal conservatives” are Monetarists or Austrians. Most leftists are Keynesians, Socialists, or Marxists.

Are you a Keynesian, pedxing? Do you think Obama’s economic proposals will improve the long term condition of the economy? Specifically, which ones?


I can almost guarantee one thing: We’ll get much more positive economic reporting in the media if Obama is elected, as we did when the media ignored much of the impending danger surrounding the tech stock bubble in the late 90s. They waited until Bush was in office to print their Chicken Little angst without explaining the causes.




Going back to an earlier post I saw, how much of the federal deficit can be eliminated by spending on the Iraq war? What about the federal debt?

Will you now answer my questions, pedxing?
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“If I were President, I would cut spending 100% in ALL areas of government that don't have to do with national defense, and there is nothing congress could do about it. I'd veto their asses right out of dodge. I'd cut taxes proportionately, while making it a flat tax. Congress would be powerless, because right before that I'd invite them over to the White House and slip a mickey in their drinks. Hey, who is going to stop the President? I could just fire them if they tried.”

“Ummm, you could try to play totalitarian dictator, hiker 1984, but that's a leftist dream.

You'd be inconsistent in your economic philosophy because reducing the size of government is a "right-wing" ideal.


And then there's this sticky little problem:

The Constitution grants numerous powers to Congress. These include the powers: to levy and collect taxes,”

“That's what the mickey is for.”

“Not sure what your point is on the cost of the Iraq war. In terms of the official budgets, I think the Iraq war has been about 1/2 a trillion dollars. That's a meaningful fraction of the total debt accumulated under Bush, but only a fraction.

I am pleased to have contributed to your education on the budget process. You seemed to think I was wrong in my statement about some Presidents (the last two being Johnson and Clinton) submitting budgets that were not loaded with red ink.”

“Looks like McCain's very first presidential decision was a boner.

Has anyone read up on troopergate?: http://www.adn.com/politics/story/510080.html

Those bridge to nowhere claims appear to be pure fabrication: http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html


Thanks Grampy!!! Great choice (as usual).”

“I hear very few people knew what his decision was until he sprung it on everyone.

Why does this sound painfully familiar....”

““I can only speak for myself but I'm an independent. I could care less about party. Principled leaders of good conscience are hard to find and deserve everyone's support.

I don’t know how many of you caught McCain and Biden on ‘Meet the Press’. They disagree with each other – I disagree with both of them on many issues – but they treat each other with respect. McCain made a call to end the partisanship that is making it impossible to reach any sort of consensus. Democracy can only work through compromise.

That's why a Kerry/McCain fushion ticket could be exactly what this country needs. I know it's only a dream.”

Violin
4:04:43 PM
5/20/04”

“When McCain runs in 08 the Dems will demonize him just the same that they have with everyone else.

This statement can't be further from the truth. I, for one, would support the man, as would many of those on here that don't support the current prez�

Treebeard
8:07:15 AM
8/06/04”