"Iraq Is Going Well" BUT US infrastruct ure?

“So we're spending 10,000,000,000 dollars a week in Iraq fighting the terrorists because they hate our freedoms and want to commit terrorist acts in the USA. Terrorist acts like blowing up bridges etc. But why should they come all the way over here to blow up bridges when they can just stay at home and let the bridges fall in by themselves?

Welcome to George Bush's and Nancy Pelosi's America!
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“This ain't a Democrat vs Republican thang y'all!”

“[Solitary Hiker 88] It's the jews' fault. The Jews are the cause of all the worlds problems. [/Solitary Hiker 88]”

“If it wasn't Iraq it would be something else that is using up money that should go towards up keeping infrastructure. It's nothing new. I remember a NYS Thruway bridge collapse back in the mid to late '80s.”

“SH88 you know that the Entitlements are the LARGEST section of our Government Budget..>Right?

And as a matter of good civics...can you point out the portion of the Constitution that says the Federal Government has to pay for State Infrastructure?”

“SH88 you know that the Entitlements are the LARGEST section of our Government Budget..>Right?

If you mean entitlements to seedy special interest groups, shoddy work interstate road and bridge building companies, defense contractors, international oil corporations, and a certain pariah country ..... Well if you mean those entitlements then yes I know this.”

“This was an accident. A horrible accident. It has NOTHING to do with politics.”

“And, the title?”

“This was indeed a horrible accident. But in safety theory as practised by just about every major industry in the US and the industrialized world there is no such thing as an accident. All things happen because things were done or they weren't done. Look at it like this.

Bill slipped and broke his leg in the warehouse. He had an accident. But Bill broke his leg because Tom had spilled some coffee on the floor as he walked through. Tom knew he had spilled the coffee and he could have wiped it up but he reasoned it would be ok and besides he was late for an important meeting.


Do you understand where I'm headed with this?
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“Unfortunately solitary hiker the way things work in this country, no one pays any attention to the spilled coffee until someone breaks a leg.

It’s frustrating as hell, but that’s reality.
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“Oh yah, no mysterious ways on this one.”

“Unfortunately solitary hiker the way things work in this country, no one pays any attention to the spilled coffee until someone breaks a leg.

It’s frustrating as hell, but that’s reality.

Only if your mind is locked in a paradigm that allows no other way of thinking.

There are acts of God but there are no accidents!

Wrap you mind around that concept. Wrestle with it.”

“There are acts of God but there are no accidents!

Wrap you mind around that concept. Wrestle with it.”
solitary hiker
9:56:44 AM
8/02/07

I agree. My point was things never seem to become a priority until something bad happens. For example, the firm I work on a conservation plan for an Adirondack Great Camp, that was deteriorating into nothing. In out plan we spelled out what needed to be done and how urgent the work was. The project saw no money until after one of the buildings burnt to the ground. The loss suddenly opened everyone's eyes to what we had been telling them before. Some work started. It's been 2 years since the fire and guess what, almost everyone has forgotten again and the project once again struggles for funds.”

“The bridges'effect on the grain market will be interesting.”

“I know you understand. I'm just using your statement to illustrate that (and I hate to have to use this term) we have to start thinking outside the box on a lot of things. American foreign policy is one and how the government spends our taxes is another. Some of the things the current (and past) administrations have done are not good for the long term political and financial health of the United States. Credit is being used when there is no money to pay it back. The United States government can only print fiat currency for so long. The Chinese and Japanese will only buy US Treasury bills for so long. The United States can only ignore its crumbling infrastructure for so long.
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“I agree we need more Works Projects to upgrade and repair some of these bridges and roads. NO argument.

You know a few weeks ago my troop was in Rabun Beach Campground...which was developed as a Civilian Conservation Corps base. Now that is a form of Government Payments I can agree with. The government pays you to WORK.

I am sure everyone knows in the late 1990's we started a policy of making welfare recipients work "X" number of hours a month (charity groups or something like that were allowed)....it has been removed.


Sorry but if our representatives are going to take OUR money to pay someone else....I think there should be something in compensation.

A CCC type program would be excellent”

“Joe Arpaio in Arizona has the beginnings for those that don't WORKOUT.”

“Tom knew he had spilled the coffee and he could have wiped it up but he reasoned it would be ok and besides he was late for an important meeting.


Do you understand where I'm headed with this?
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solitary hiker
8:36:02 AM
8/02/07



Tom caused the bridge collapse?”

“I heard on the news this morning that nearly a third of the bridges in Louisiana are osolete. The bridge which I cross nearly every day and has very heavy traffic and heavy vehicles crossing it has steel plates welded over the grating to keep car tires from punching through. It is a swing open bridge that can no longer open because it will stick in the open position. Another bridge further upstream is for US HWY 190 a four lane highway with thousands of commuters including my wife daily. A few years ago a huge section fell into the river. The concrete had developed cracks and when a heavy enough load hit it gave way. Luckily no one was killed. A patch job was done and we still drive across it today.

I am sick and tired of us sending all our money overseas while the US crumbles.
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“I am sick and tired of us sending all our money overseas while the US crumbles. - bateauxdriver

Yes, criticizing foreign aid is a legitimate argument worthy of discussion. Blaming the world's problems on the major recipients, however, is simply 88 scumbaggery.”

“Bat...the problem is not that NO money was spent...in fact The Big Sleazy had BILLIONS poured into it for repairs and the money just disappeared...no one seems to care.

I mean the Levee board was a massive waste of taxpayer funds...and they just WENT AWAY.”

“'Infrastructure' reminds me of levees.”

“The 12 Billion a month spend for the Bush war alone would do a lot of good in the US. I an not against foreign aid in cases of natural disaster. Lending a helping had in those cases goes a long way to improve the worldwide image of the US. I can think of no better way to advertise who the American people are than to have a uniformed American solder helping flood or earthquake vicitms. The corporate war in Iraq is another case. It destroys the credibility of the US and drains our treasury in to the hands of the corporate war profiteers.”

“The levees will never be built to withstand a Katrina sized storm. I am not even in favor of those levees being built. I would like to see the downtown area of New Orleans have super levees that would protect the core of the city and just let the rest go. Most of the areas in question are simply not protectable.

This discussion is about transportation. I would rather pay much higher gas taxes and have a safe highway system to travel on.”

“My local bridge is fine , but it needs a river to cover its' drought underneath”

“Tom caused the bridge collapse?”

LOL! Nonconformist you've got me figured out!!!”

“At the rate the Gulf is reclaiming the Delta.... Is N.O. (or what's left of it) going to be an island in 50 years?

Corps of Engineers were completely irresponsible from all I've heard.  Levees weren't even built to the standards specified... much less to the standards needed to actually protect the entire city.

I begin to wonder about the three Corps of Engineers dams we have upstream.... Clark's Hill, Russell, Hartwell.”

“I don't want to pay higher gas taxes to fix those bridges and roads. I want the government to use the money they are already getting to fix the bridges and roads.
I want that 10-12 billion a week they are wasting in Iraq used at home to create jobs in US infrastructure. I want the billions they are giving to Egypt and Israel used to create better schools or something as simple as painting the restrooms in our national parks. I want the government to use money to start thinking about an equitable health care system that doesn't tax us into poverty. I want the government to quit increasing the M-3 money supply which results in the hidden tax of inflation that is robbing me and mainly my wife of the ability to live a decent life on what money I am able to put away for her in her old age.
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““I am sick and tired of us sending all our money overseas while the US crumbles. - bateauxdriver

Yes, criticizing foreign aid is a legitimate argument worthy of discussion. Blaming the world's problems on the major recipients, however, is simply 88 scumbaggery.”
Mutt
1:46:12 PM
8/02/07”

““I am sick and tired of us sending all our money overseas while the US crumbles. - bateauxdriver

Yes, criticizing foreign aid is a legitimate argument worthy of discussion. Blaming the world's problems on the major recipients, however, is simply 88 scumbaggery.”
Mutt
1:46:12 PM
8/02/07

Seemed like Sol's focus was on the Iraq war. I didn't see the kind of scumbuggery you accuse him of, unless you are considering Iraq to be a reciipient of all those billions we are spending on the war.”

“Oh double post.

Anyway, XL says: And as a matter of good civics...can you point out the portion of the Constitution that says the Federal Government has to pay for State Infrastructure?”
XL400236
8:34:44 AM
8/02/07


And as a matter of civics, does the federal government - have a role in the maintenance of bridges on an Interstate Highway? Is an interstate highway State infrastructure?”

“Ped,
1) what % of F aid comes back with lobbyist?
2) where does all the money for Iraq go?
3) is the interstate highway system a big power grab?”

“Do you have answers you'd like to propose for those questions?”

“No I'm not capable of answering questions, because of my lack of bias. Example, should all gay marriages be legal if done on a unreconditioned bridge? ans. No, unless no traffic had crossed the bridge for nine months or until the last redneck had been washed into the gulf.”

“Don't forget to vote and do so wisely.”

“How about that Plunge Protection Team yesterday? 150 points in the last 15 minutes! They could have been a little bit more subtle don't you think? People might start getting the idea that the markets are rigged.
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“The last 5 min. on direct feed update was a trip. These guys weren't trading 3 n 4 digit quantities.
Some of the short covering spikes get out of hand. I've tried my best , but just can't crack the huge blocks that just push reason off the edge of your screen.
I'm winding down 80% into other things and going to cut my days down to about 4 hours eyes on, from this night and day crap. The fun is gone and I'm tired of the taxes.”

“Bateaux...did you happen to catch the actual "COST" of the 9/11 attacks...not counting the NEW YORK COST...I mean the HUGE hit the economy took? The expenditures it cost to revamp out security, to pay for losses.....

I am wondering if we didn't even respond to 9/11.,...say we pulled a CLEENTON and tossed a couple of missiles at empty caves in Afghanistan or blew up another aspirin factory in Sudan....what would the NEXT attack cost us?

We get loss estimates for say, a terrorist attack at Hartsfield, or a hit on Washington...and trust me...a few Trillion spent now would MORE than cover that cost.”

“Seemed like Sol's focus was on the Iraq war. I didn't see the kind of scumbuggery you accuse him of, - pedXing

Really? He alluded to it here:

"If you mean entitlements to ... a certain pariah country" - Solitary Hiker 88

Also, PedXing, have you forgotten that Solitary Hiker88 said this: the biggest threat to world peace right now is Israeli military aggression and their racist, apartheid treatment of Palestinians.
solitary hiker 88
9:25:48 AM
7/26/07

Now, who does solitary hiker 88 sound like?

Jewish media control determines the foreign policy of the United States and permits Jewish interests rather than American interests to decide questions of war and peace. Without Jewish media control, there would have been no Persian Gulf war, for example. There would have been no NATO massacre of Serb civilians. There would be no continued beating of the drums for another war against Iraq. - stormfront.org

"Why are we in Iraq? Who is promoting illegal immigration? I'll tell you. It's Jewish supremacists." - David Duke

"F*cking Jews... Jews are responsible for all wars in the world." – Mel Gibson

"The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy." - Hitler


Those were just from a quick google search. I'm sure I can find many, many more quotes from anti-jew racist scumbags that SH88 idolizes and repeats.”

“Yah! I hate the haters that hate hatred, ALSO!!!!!”

“And Next on Dr Phil, people who hate the haters who hate hatred and the people who love them. But first, married people who married married people just to be married.”

“Mutt - I have to admit Sols "biggest threat to world peace" statement is bizarre and leaves him open to legitimate suspicions.

On the other hand, you accuse of him of "Blaming the world's problems on the major recipients" that also is way out of proportion to what he's doing, especially in the context of his discussion of the Iraq war and the bridge.

Show me where he sees Israel (or its supporters) as the main cause of the Iraq War and I will concede your point in full.”

“SO Ped when we see quotes where UBL had openly stated it is his desire to get Western Presence OUT of the Lands of Mohammed, make Islam the WORLD religion and destroy Isreal...thats NOT a threat in your opinion?”

“Show me where he sees Israel (or its supporters) as the main cause of the Iraq War and I will concede your point in full. - PedXing

Sure thing, chief. This is from the same thread:

the neo-con Likudniks are achieving the exact Middle East goals they set when they conned our man-boy president into waging the Iraqi war in the first place....They want anything that furthers the Israeli goal of hegemony in the Middle East. And if they can get the USA to expend American blood and treasure to take the Iranians out and secure a little oil for them too, all the better.

solitary hiker
8:49:30 AM
7/24/07”

“I await your concession, PedXing.”

“COncessions....UM can I have some popcorn, a coke and some gummy worms?”

“That'll be $24.99.”

“OH good...I have a Fifteen and two sevens...can I get some change?”

“Solitary Hiker might have 88 cents for you...”

“LOL.....I am guessing I won't be getting a shekel for my thoughts”