Can you oppose the war and support the T roops

“Come on Stove - what good is it to have him on ignore if you post his quotes on here anyways!?!?”

“Sarge is guilty of a 'thought crime'! Your grandkids will fry, per tiltypoo. ;-)
last edited: 9/19/07 8:15:17 AM”

“What the heck are you smoking down there?

sounds like 1984 talk”

“Can you oppose the war and oppose the wingnut trolls on TrailTalk?

Yes, easily.


The Iraqis seem to have no legal means to control so-called "private contractors" in the employ of the United States and affiliated corporations.  Apparently they have no say at all as to whether these people continue to operate in their country.

That certainly sounds like an occupation, doesn't it?”

“LOL....wow great history education there tiltypoo....”

“so, was he saying he supports the troops there, or just opposes the war?”

““Wasn't talking to you.... but an interesting angle nonetheless.

Too bad there isn't a way to just fry the great-grandchildren of people who talk the coalmining industry line. Everybody loses, unfortunately.”
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“I think even the libbies see the illogic of their behavior. And I think most people know if this had been Any DEM in the WHITE HOUSE...well the libbies would have been trumpeting his actions.”

“Who has legal authority over the militias? Is it the same as Mattel has over their 'Sarge'?”

“saleboard...militias are civilian groups. Much like the law enforcement can 'deputize" civilians.

Remember the original "militia" were farmers etc. Most of the time they were never able to STAND up to the Brits in straight out combat.

This allows civilians to maintain personal weapons for PROTECTION from the Government.”

“VERBATIM QUOTES FROM WHEN CLINTON WAS COMMITTING TROOPS TO BOSNIA

"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99”

“Is this the "left"?

”

“NO, those look like right-wing loony fundies.”

“This editoral is above the standards of TT libbies such as vile, tiltypoo, marko, y2, etc.
http://media.www.collegian.com/media/storage/paper864/news/2007/09/21/News/Taser.This-2984348.shtml”

“They aren't learning anything at CSU.”

“Those are the anti-abortion people who show up at soldiers' funerals.  You Right Wing guys can be pretty sick.

Try to develop a little decorum, will ya?”

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AP) WASHINGTON
The Senate voted Thursday to condemn an advertisement by the liberal anti-war group MoveOn.org that accused the top military commander in Iraq of betrayal.

The 72-25 vote condemned the full-page ad that appeared in The New York Times last week as Gen. David Petraeus, the top military commander in Iraq, testified on Capitol Hill. The ad was headlined: "General Petraeus or General Betray Us? Cooking the books for the White House."”

“Can you oppose the war and support the troops?


Yep, nothing to it.”

“I had a guy in the campground tonight that is going back in a week for his 2nd tour in this war and he was in the first Iraq war too. He was very interesting.

Yes I support all our troops but hate and disagree with the war.

I was all for going into Afghanistan and look for sin laiden and routing out the taliban.

My prayers are with all our troops everywhere.”

“.....and yet tiltypoo supports moveOn and it's lies.
[VBG}”

“Exactly, Tango.”

“We'll see how the great Iraqi government does with Blackwater, could find out the Iraqi government is made of smoke and getting smokier. Ah?”

“I heard that Blackwater's operating licence that was supposedly revoked by the Interior Minister the other day had actually expired months ago and nobody had even bothered to renew it.

After watching the Iraqi opinion polls for the last couple of years, I've been wondering what would happen if the Iraqis voted to have our forces leave.

Not much --- (?)”

“LOL...Tilty...I just figured it out....YOU and your bunch are technically able to oppose the war and support "the troops" as you say...upon greater checking

THESE are the TROOPS you are supporting...



or maybe this is more your speed...TILTY'S HEROES IN ACTION.....

http://www.messiah.org/p9198.htm

WARNING...THE TRUTH MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR A WORK PLACE..(tilty since you don't work you can probably open it..but it will be hard to take)”

“Don't worry XL, the Boeing cameras will catch them all before they follow you home and get under your sheets.”

“Don't forget to check the wood pile.”

“Move on messed up with their add, but what's really silly is the spectacle of the US Senators' spending time passing a vote to make a proclamation about an ad purchased by a political action group over an insult to one general.

The whole thing reeks of the opportunist Rove style BS - change the subject and discredit all those who ask uncomfortable questions.

Evidence mounting about Bush's special treatment to avoid military service? Hit on one screw-up by CBS about some documents so hard that no one dares raise the issue again. The sales campaign for the Iraq War threatened by news about bogus WMD claims, hit Scott Ritter and others hard to discredit them. Make the critics the issue. Rosy forecasts on Iraq which don't seem credible? Find some nay-sayer whose rhetoric has gone over the top and make them the issue, and while you are at it cast aspersions on anyone who won't join in the charade.

Funny that the same folks who smeared Max Cleland so effectively are appalled that someone might question the testimony of someone who has faithfully served his country.”

“LOL...yeah...how soon we forget.....yep if we give them what they want they won't bother us...RIGHT?\

Sadly history still records the last time the spineless surrender weasels tried to MAKE nice with a growing threat.






Maybe you guys remember the price the world paid?

”

“Granted, that is a butt ugly memorial, but to call it the price the world paid seems a bit harsh don't you think, XL?”

“You should see it in person with a couple hundred tourons on it, kleetn. It's an eyesore like none other. But its Grandiose Roman Empire-ish Architecture fits in with the current admin.
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“It's just the RITEorREIGHT WING FLAPPING and the LEFTorLIB WING FLAPPING, lots of flapping.”

“Kleetn, Bear, it represents the SACRIFICE just Our nation had to make. From men like My Uncle who spent 5 years of his life in places that would make most people walk off and blow their brains out.

It also was a time when people stayed home (the people who I guess since they didn't fight weren't IMPORTANT) and suffered through rationing and the continuing fear of a threat that could have been stopped a half a decade earlier.”

“Preach it, sister!”

“GM strike, hehe.”

“Your comments, cliff, are always gray and sketchy. lol”

“It invokes a festive mood. People frolic on it. Its shamed by the Korean & Vietnam memorials.

Its like the lincoln or jefferson. You look at it and say "wow" "impressive". "What's for lunch?"

It's almost sterile
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“bearmagnet, actually I did see it in May when I was a touron there myself. In my opinion, it just does not fit with the other memorials. I'm not sure how it was supposed to represent sacrifice. Made no sense to me, really.”

“Too bad they didn't do something like the D-Day Memorial in Bedford, VA.”

“Thank goodness we have another war for which we can build yet another monument.”

“Email address worked! You is predictable!”

“The monument has been built in Bagdad already, at very modest cost . hehe”

“And you aren't?

left ... right ... left ... right ... halt!”

“The neat thing is tht most World War II vets I know really don't care.

As my Uncle said (Many times),"Its what had to be done, its the price of living here."

Now granted according to the libbies he was a War Criminal. Since he invaded places that had never attacked us directly (little Islands like Guadacanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Okinawa) but then thats all ancient history to most libbies.”

“The neat thing is tht most World War II vets I know really don't care.

When did you ask them?”

“Now granted according to the libbies he was a War Criminal.

When did you ask them?”

“Why would Libbie Dole think that?

Have you asked her?”

“Libby Dole,....I am assuming you mean BOB Dole...(since Libby his wife did not go to World War II).

When did I ask them....OH back when Tom Hanks became a Patriot after his HEAVY COMBAT experience...(LOL)...Making a movie///(LOL)...

I have quite a few who are still alive. As a rule that was a TIME in their life. They moved on as a rule. Rather than sit in a corner of a hospital and drool on themselves as they cry about how TOUGH life is...they mostly came home and led reasonably productive lives.

But then I guess they wanted us to have all they didn't have (being they grew up during the Depression and went on to fight the most horrible war in World history). Men like my uncle saw the horror but they knew if they never moved on that they would not be able TO provide the world they had fought and suffered for.”

“XL - yer so full of malarky it aint funny. There is a world of differance between our invasion of Iraq and WW2. For one thing in WW2 we were attacked first and our goals were not polluted by big business profiteering. Hitler was an annouced enemy of the world and loudly proclaimed his intentions to conquer the world which were backed up by actuall aggression. Japan attacked us becuase we had cut off thier oil supplies in protest of thier attacks on china...

Both countries were proven aggressors that had attacked several other countries long before we declared war on them. Saddam was nothing more then a swaggering braggart safely traped inside his own borders with a joke for an army. Japan and Germany were proven military threats to everyone and declared war on us before we acted.

But then the war with Iraq was accomplished a long time ago. We still have not built a functional goverment there nor have we really done anything usefull to restore the infrastructure destroyed during the war.

In the end XL please give us one single substantiated reason why AMERICAN troops, our sons and daughters, should be placed in harms way? How many body bags will you fill before you realise that there was never anything to gain by the Iraq war? Also if your so in favor of the war there would you please volunteer for a tour of duty since you are such a strong supporter of our troops? You want to wave the flag and call us stupid libbies yet you sit and risk nothing. Tell you what , just give us a list of how many of your own personal friends you are willing to see die in the streets of Iraq.”

“Hit the road Jack, XL rite again.”