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“Is it funny?
Do you go to war with what you have?
Does the media understand this?
Have I worn out my welcome?
Well by gosh darn, I don't think so”
“Good reply Rummy”
“There is so much political corruption on Capitol Hill that the FBI has had to triple the number of squads investigating lobbyists, lawmakers and influence peddlers, the Daily News has learned.
For decades, only one squad in Washington handled corruption cases because the crimes were seen as local offenses handled by FBI field offices in lawmakers' home districts. . . .
But in recent years, the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal and other abuses of power and privilege have prompted the FBI to assign 37 agents full-time to three new squads in an office near Capitol Hill.
FBI Assistant Director Chip Burrus told The News yesterday that he wants to detail even more agents to the Washington field office for a fourth corruption squad because so much wrongdoing is being uncovered. . . .
Two years ago, only 400 agents worked on public corruption cases. Now, 615 agents nationwide - including 30 in New York - are trying to nail public servants for betraying the public trust in 2,200 ongoing cases. . . .
Burrus wouldn't speculate about why there is so much graft, but said, 'We have to pull the whole weed up or it's just going to grow back again.'"
“Washington, DC – Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) released its second annual report on the most corrupt members of Congress entitled Beyond DeLay: The 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress (and five to watch).
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Bill Frist (R-TN)
Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Alan Mollohan (D-WV)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO)
Ken Calvert (R-CA)
Richard Pombo (R-CA)
John Doolittle (R-CA)
Rick Renzi (R-AZ)
Tom Feeney (R-FL)
Pete Sessions (R-TX)
Katherine Harris (R-FL)
John Sweeney (R-NY)
William Jefferson (D-LA)
Charles Taylor (R-NC)
Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
Maxine Waters (D-CA)
Gary Miller (R-CA)
Curt Weldon (R-PA)
Five Members to Watch:
Chris Cannon (R-UT)
J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ)
Dennis Hastert (R-IL)
John Murtha (D-PA)
Don Sherwood (R-PA)
Anyone see a pattern here?”
“I see a lot of R's....”
“LOL..another liberal socialist smear campaign...I am just guessing.”
“What about the conservative socialists?”
“Lets see what the eventual result of the charges are. You know there was this thing...Innocent until proven guilty. You remember the 42nd President still uses it even though he plead guilty.
Or you can go HOGWILD after this one like the PLAME thing....LOL> What the heck should be fun to watch you backpedal again.”
“Anyone see a pattern here?”
Reverend Truth V Wicked
Yep, I see a definite pattern. I see lefties like you posting links from admittedly liberal groups like CREW & somehow suggesting this is legitimate info from a reliable source without an agenda.
A second, and related, pattern is the reluctance / inability of the lefties to respond to legitimate issues such as the bullsht racist charges by Maryland Dems discussed in this thread. http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/37244,1.php
Yeah, there's a pattern allright.
Give me a FK#$# break, will ya?”
“Wanderer, are you saying that the list is wrong? Even the Democrats on the list are falsely accused? If the list is biased against Republicans, why is the Right's new favorite punching bag, John Murtha, on the list of members to watch?
Could it be that maybe everyone on the list really is crooked, no matter the party affiliation?
Naaaaaaaawwww. Not my guys.”
“Kleetn, I'm guessing we should send you condolences for your reading comprehension scores. I'm sure your inability to interpret properly what you read has cost you in life.
Re-read what I wrote, please. What I said was that the source of the data, CREW, was admittedly liberal, suggesting they had an agenda. That is not my "opinion", it is their stated purpose! Go to their website & check them out.
My summary, therefore, is that if the source is contaminated, what eminates forth from it is then also obviously contaminated.
Please note also I didn't try to suggest some conservative information source... both would be equally contaminated with their respective agendas... I was decrying the lack of OBJECTIVE information!”
“So just where do you suggest someone with low reading comprehension scores and inability to interpret properly what is read go to obtain this OBJECTIVE information, O enlightened one?”
“Poor dim violin can't figure out thread title subjects either.
Reading Is Fundamental.
“Wish I knew! What I've been railing about most recently is the lack of accurate, non-judgemental sources of info from some group without an agenda. I've given up on most popular "media" outlets, most newspapers lean one direction or the other (and let's be honest, most lean left), Fox leans right, CNN leans left, etc., etc., etc.
Point is... consider the source before you take any info as the gospel truth. CREW, the group V-man cited above, is admittedly lefist, so I automatically discount, or at least question, their data. I would say the same for a right-leaning source.”
So that impassioned plea you made before the '04 election for everyone to vote conservative means what?...you're a middle of the road kind of guy? No bias? Straight shooter?
I think we all hear what we want to hear.”
“No, what it means is that, at the time I wrote that, I believed the conservative vote was the best for America. I've never said I wasn't conservative in some respects... I freely admit and am prod of the fact that I happen to believe in many of those old-time, out-of-date philosophies like self-responsibility, etc. BUT...I also believe in a social safety-net, and support what some would consider "leftist" positions. What I have always ranted about here was the "broad brush" so many on TT use to paint someone as "this" or "that", when in reality they may be a little of both. One does not have to be an extremist to have passionate beliefs about an issue. AND... one can be a Repub on one issue and a Dem on another... not everyone is a blind extremist with an inability to reason.”
“kleetn - Wow, that has got to be one of the dumbest responses you could have given to wanderer.
CREW is a group which purports to be providing you with specific analytical objective data.
wanderer is playing the role of an analyst of many sources of data.
If the group providing specific objective data is so blatantly biased, it's normal to consider the source as suspect.
Of course we should consider anybody providing analysis as suspect! But when the objective analysis is skewed, you have not a philosophical problem, but a moral one.
You should consider that source (CREW) along with consideration of their bias, as you would with any "objective" analysis.
typical of you to turn it around into a personal attack on wanderer
last edited: 9/20/06 7:15:05 PM”
“Actually, Moonglo, (and kleetn), I didn't consider kleetn's response a personal attack. The way I originally responded to Kleetn's post could have been interpreted a couple different ways, it wasn't meant as a "personal attack" against kleetn, just as I didn't interpret his response to be a "personal attack" against me.,
Having said that, and now back to the topic at hand :), I believe more than ever in what I wrote in that old thread you referenced, kleetn; I still believe the very best thing you can do, if you really care about people and are compassionate, is to vote conservative!
Thanks for that old reference & the opportunity to once again give people a reason to vote for what's best for all of us... VOTE CONSERVATIVE!”
“he's making it about you and not the topic at hand - typical liberal debating technique - that's a personal attack
have a debate where a liberal can't bring YOU up, and watch his head explode”
“Actually, Moonglo, (and kleetn), I didn't consider kleetn's response a personal attack.
Well, thanks for that. It wasn't meant that way. But Sarge, why didn't you raise this point earlier when wanderer posted this?:
Kleetn, I'm guessing we should send you condolences for your reading comprehension scores. I'm sure your inability to interpret properly what you read has cost you in life.”
“Well, thanks for that. It wasn't meant that way. But Sarge, why didn't you raise this point earlier when wanderer posted this?:
Kleetn, I'm guessing we should send you condolences for your reading comprehension scores. I'm sure your inability to interpret properly what you read has cost you in life.
Because I'm biased and don't offer support for libbies.”
“Man...taking stuff personal? LOL If I could repeat the stuff I get called on a daily basis by some of societies better citizens (LOL).”
“Because I'm biased and don't offer support for libbies.
Thanks for clearing that up. All this time, I thought it was because you were dead.”
“LOL....nice reply Kleetn, I could smell the brain cell burning from down here.....
I am NOT biased, I prefer to believe in the TRUTH and dislike well...socialists...
I love what the President said about Faith. Something to the effect that all people who have a true belief in a God have a human desire to seek freedom.”
“Only 25% in Poll Approve of the Congress
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and JANET ELDER
Published: September 21, 2006
With barely seven weeks until the midterm elections, Americans have an overwhelmingly negative view of the Republican-controlled Congress, with substantial majorities saying that they disapprove of the job it is doing and that its members do not deserve re-election, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.”
“I love what the President said about Faith. Something to the effect that all people who have a true belief in a God have a human desire to seek freedom. - xl400236
any person who places religious conditions on the desire to attain freedom needs to have their head examined.
im wondering how it is that you fail to see the obvious contradiction there.
did i miss the amendment to hte engish language where the words "freedom" and "liberty" were at all related to the belief in a monotheistic deity?”
“I love what the President said about Faith. Something to the effect that all people who have a true belief in a God have a human desire to seek freedom.
Yeah, I agree with the President. Faith Hill is hot. Not sure what a hot country singer has to do with freedom, but whatever.”
“id hit it. twice. 8)”
“Catskill...I know this may be a shock to you but long ago we found out the "They ALL SUCK but Mine" attitude toward Congress. The truth is most people think Congress is a failure ....EXCEPT their congressman.
Mjw...amendment to the english language? OH...I think I see it...yeah well you see I guess there is one obscure document that says something to the effect...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--"
But in LibSocialist Speak that is a non existent document.....”
“XL - don't confuse "taking it personal" with "recognizing when someone's only arguments aren't against the issue at hand, but against the person they're talking to".”
“XL - don't confuse "taking it personal" with "recognizing when someone's only arguments aren't against the issue at hand, but against the person they're talking to-moonglo
you mean like when someone points out a the other is making a semantic argument, and that person dismisses everything the other says by calling them a "libsocialist"?
im sure thats not at all something ad hominem.
attn: xl400, who are you to tell anyone else who their creator is? are you not limiting their freedom? is a creator solely a monotheistic god? or are hindus not created in your opinion? are atheists not allowed to the inalienable rights of man? if so, are you saying that men who do not believe in god are not men?
and no, i meant amendment as in "change", not in teh constitutional sense. as in, "where in teh definition of freedom or liberty is anything regarding religion ever brought up? when was that change made?"
sorry if that was over your head the first time, maybe you can answer it now.
p.s. the consitution is not the dictionary. sorry if that point slipped by you also.
last edited: 9/21/06 11:03:53 AM”
“Condescending little troll, isn't it?
I've read enough from it.
im a condescending troll because i bring up logical inconsistencies and falsehoods. then call the people out when they fail to address them.
nevermind the rampant asshattery involved in deliberately misinterpreting a criticism and writing a mini diatribe involving a topic of your own choosing as a means to deflect rational problems in your ""theories"".
hilarious. another victory for ad hominem :D
sorry you find all of this logic so condescending. i know its a bit much sometimes.”
“Hey 666, you're dealing with some reality challenged mad dog right-wingers.
These wingnuts refuse to deny any the tenets of their cult-like beliefs for fear of the entire fabric unravelling.
Get your kicks on Route 666!!”
“SS - agreed. "click"”
YOU ARE FREE TO DO WHAT WE TELL YOU
YOU ARE FREE TO DO WHAT WE TELL YOU
-The Rev. Bill Hicks
i guess all those criticisms i brought up will remain unchallenged?
anyhoo, lets go hiking 8)”
“MarkO is so silly.”
“Let's just say, hypothetically, that we got rid of all the democrats in positions of power. Frankly, a good portion of them are a bunch of worthless scumbags, just like their clones across the aisle, IMO. Where does that leave America? - treebeard
Same question for getting rid of all the republicans. - sarge
= = = = = = = = = = = =
we would be left with a true democracy?
i love it when people like to take my words and try to make them some sort of partisaned hoopla, as if im for or against an idea simply because it has been labelled as such-and-such.
three cheers for thinking outside the box.
id hate to get lost in the woods with some of you people. "no dont go west, thats left on the map and therefore its libsocialist direction!!?!?" lol. oh ok.
last edited: 9/21/06 12:13:53 PM”
“I think the thing this little troll has ot learned it in this country I can tell you to do whatever I want. I can tell you how to believe etc etc....but here (now this is the big one so ask mommy to stop paying the milkman so you can concentrate)
IN America...you DON'T have to listen, or buy in. Now in HUGO CHAVEZ Paradise of Venezuela they have a slightly different take on that...but then you and your leadership love him.
Good job you have aligned yourself with a real hero.....
last edited: 9/21/06 1:11:21 PM”
“im sorry, ive aligned myself with who?
who is my leadership?
are you making things up again, or are you simply retarded?
in america you dont have to choose what you hear when the white house has spent over one billion dollars paying off news agencies to make that decision for you.
you have to learn that in this country i can tell you whatever i want also, and i can make you look extremely foolish for exercising your right to free speech. because, alas, the right to free speech does not imply the right to apply correctness as a property of any utterance. but keep on rockin!
still waiting for you and your big ol' nuts to email me your address so i can come and laugh in your face when you call me a coward in person. why the wait? you said it yourself, im a pacifistic coward. are you scared of something?
last edited: 9/21/06 1:26:00 PM”
“XL - Best just to ignore this turd.”
“LOL...I learn by watching you.
MJ..its okay if you choose to follow people who are sworn enemies of this country. I understand that it is impossible for you to be able to understand that supporting the nation does not translate into liking the President...(HEY I did it for 8 years during the Legacy of Corruption)
As for my address...where is your e-mail address troll? Look I will make it easy, just use the address your mom attaches to her website. (LOL).
I know you are a coward because as soon as you feel you are losing you shift to personal threats. I have met your kind all over the place. The libs in this country have so little faith in their party that they cannot defeat us in the arena of ideas rather they must (like your HERO HUGO CHAVEZ) find a way to silence us.”
“Is that nasty little troll saying something?
Hard to hear it when it's on ignore.
"i cant see anything if i close my eyes, that means the world must not exist"
i going to take a guess that this attitude is at the root of the problem. :D”
“I think I found the problem...I just discovered MJW's "maturity" movie. Starring I am certain our own MJW....
“lol i am not making a personal threat.
in fact, ive asked you plenty of times what you find so threatening about a pacifistic coward coming to say hello to you in person so you can tell him he is a coward, and you keep on ignoring the question. the only thing im "threatening" is a big laugh in your face. i apologize if that is too much to bear :D
where have i made a partisaned argument? where have i argued that im supportive of any political party?
do you always make things up?
thats a funny video, but is has nothing to do with you making absolutely ignorant coments about citizens of this planet who have a way of life different than you. still not denying that you're a bigot, huh.
well, if youre going to to ahead and assume thati support Chavex because i do not agree with all of your asinine remarks, can I go ahead and assume that you're a member of the KKK based on your bigoted remarks?
tit for tat, isnt it.
for someone who likes to say that ive been backed into a corner, id like to make it clear that you have totally ignored every actual commentary and question that ive brought up to you in a period of two days.
not too swift.
last edited: 9/21/06 1:44:46 PM”
Embattled Bryant gives up key Senate budget post
Hudson's Kenny named to replace Camden County Democrat
Tuesday, September 26, 2006
BY JOSH MARGOLIN AND TED SHERMAN
Sen. Wayne Bryant, the powerful chairman of the Appropriations and Budget Committee, stepped down from the influential post yesterday amid mounting political pressure over a federal monitor's findings that he ordered the state's medical university to give him a no-show job.
The Camden County Democrat temporarily gave up his membership and chairmanship of the key legislative committee, pending an ongoing investigation into the circumstances surrounding the job he held for three years at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey.
Senate President Richard Codey (D-Essex) immediately named Sen. Bernard Kenny Jr. (D-Hudson), the Senate's majority leader, as interim chairman of the committee.
"After careful consideration and discussion, Senator Bryant and I agreed that this decision was in the best interest of everyone involved," Codey said yesterday afternoon in a statement. He declined to comment further.
Bryant's decision came after a Sunday telephone conversation with Codey, a longtime political ally who initially resisted calls for his removal. Soon afterward, Bryant sent a one-sentence letter to Codey, saying: "After thoughtful discussion with you during the week, I request that I temporarily step down from the Budget and Appropriations process and that an interim chairperson be appointed."
Questioned by reporters on his way to the Senate session in the Statehouse yesterday, Bryant would not discuss the situation. "I think my letter speaks for itself," he said. He would not speculate on how long he might be sidelined.
Meanwhile, Gov. Jon Corzine has directed his counsel to review Bryant's activities as budget chair.
"There are enough things that raise questions that it's appropriate to find out what happened, when it happened and why," said the governor.
The political furor over Bryant was ignited last week by a highly critical report by a federal monitor concluding that the senator from South Jersey was given a no-work job at UMDNJ, which essentially allowed him to "lobby himself" to get taxpayer funds for the school.
The report was presented to the U.S. Attorney's Office, which is investigating Bryant's role at UMDNJ as part of a continuing probe into the university.
That Culture of Corruption thing the Dims were screaming so loudly about a year or so ago has sure quieted down from them for some reason.
How's that working out for y'all, violin?
“lol he should have sent thousands of american troops to be killed for no apparent reason.
then you would have promoted him.”
“Is the cowardly troll violin?
I don't know because that nasty troll is on ignore.”
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