hey how much does land in PA typically c ost/ acre?

“Just curious....”

“A whole lot! Probably like $150,000/acre, minimum.”

“Evidently Sarge places a high value on rocks.”

“LOL! With the right souls, you won't even notice them.”

“It's like everywhere else, it really depends on where the land is and what the probability is of their being more developement which can be viewed as a plus where more houses mean more stores and services to the area if you are looking in the countryside.

Buying land can be a tricky proposition unless you know what you are doing. If you are considering buying land, definitely have someone with experience go with you. People will try to sell you land that is not buildable, etc.”

“shoe's have souls now?”

“Damn. I rarely spell things wrong but Ewker is right there when I do. What a great guy.

The obsession must stop Ewker. It's so old, it's not funny anymore.”

“Several million.

Oh, you meant Pennsylvania. I thought you meant Palo Alto, CA....”

“How much land do you need? I have quite a bit of land in PA---just name your price and it's yours. I take PayPal. What about bridges? Need any of those?”

“Considerably less all around you once you settle in. :P”

“depends on where you want to go.. some areas of PA are very affordable. The Philadelphia region is more expensive than the rest of the state. Allentown and Bethelhem aren't too bad, but they're close to NYC so the prices are up a little. Reading, Harrisburg, Lancaster and York regions are pretty affordable. Reading is one of the most affordable cities in the country.

PA is a great state to live. I love it here. There is no state in the country with better proximity than PA. You have the mountains, north and south, big cities, oceans, skiing and lots to do all with in an easy drive.

The White Mountains in NH are as close as the Smokies in Tennessee. The beach is a couple hours away and close enough that you can go for the day and by home that evening. There is plenty of great camping and backpacking in PA and the state has a wonderful state park and state forest system.

Some of the trails are rocky and there are a lot of snakes. Summers are very hot and humid, but winters can be relatively mild depending on the part of the state you are in.

Philly is a huge modern city with a lot to do and a great music scene. I love going to Philly. I've not ventured into Pittsburgh much, but that city seems nice as well.

Even cities like Reading, Allentown and Lancaster are fun too.”

“Virginia is pretty much the same, ENS. Lots of mountains, a short trip to the beach and more than enough cities (for me).”

“SC, how ironic you posted this. I just spoke w my Mom last night (I am from southwestern PA... almost my whole family, poor souls, still live there). Anyway, she was teling me that my aunt is trying (unsuccessfully) to sell her home so she can move closer to D.C. w her daughter / grandkids... are you ready for this?? She has a 3 BR 2 BA 3 car garage home, I'm guessing it sits on about 3 acres as I recall... she's asking $79,000 & can't find a buyer.

I explained that you couldn't buy a trailer for that price here in CA, she of course doesn't get it. Everything is relative, of course. For that price I almost considered buying it & moving back there & running my biz out of that home.

BUT... then I remebered living in PA, and, although EarthNSky may be a nice guy... anyone who considers PA a nice place to live has had a very sheltered life. I'd rather be a homeless dude here in the mountains than live in PA again, many parts of it are a cesspool, the eastern part of the state is overpopulated & polluted, the western part has all kinds of economic problems due to the falloff of mining & steel mills, the central part is rolling hills.

Please think about it... you're going steadily downhill... Northern CA to cornfields of IN and now to PA?

Get a grip!”

“There is no state in the country with better proximity than PA. You have the mountains, north and south, big cities, oceans, skiing and lots to do all with in an easy drive.

You must've never been to Washington. In a very short drive you have desert, forest, rainforest, lakes, ocean, mountains, big city, little city, strip clubs, ... everything.”

“Damn Wanderer PA isn't that bad. Then again I live in Jersey, so most places seem nicer.”

“wanderer - the key there is "southwestern PA". It's right up there with Philly as far as welfare states are concerned.

I agree. PA sucks. Better is NC and WA (away from Seattle), among others.”

“Take it from me...I have only been in PA for a year and it SUCKS !!! However if you want, my boss is a relator and i could get you some numbers if your interested.”

“ONE MILLION DOLLARS!”

“Pennsylvania's a big place and I would imagine somewhere out in northwest central PA among all those ridges and valleys, 20 acres could be had for $100,000.

There are lots of foreclosures in the rust-belt.”

“PA is not really rust belt”

“As a Pennsylvanian, born & raised:

1. Those aren't mountains, they are hills. I didn't know that at the time, to me they were wonderous! I LOVED going to Ohiopyle & Ft. Necessity (I can tell you the complete history of Geo Washingtons' PA experience!)

But compared to the Sierra, well, there simply isn't any comparison as anyone who has visited both well knows. My fav place (becuase of easy access) is Desolation Wilderness, for me it's a 1 hr drive to a trailhead @ 7400 ft, then in an hour of hiking I'm at 8500. Alternatively, I can be at the Tuolomne Meadows TH on the John Muir Trail (the REAL John Muir Trail, not your Indiana cornfield trail) in 2.5 hours, then hike for 110 miles before seeing a cross-road / trail!

In the East, they talk about the AT as their big trail, poor things. I've been on pieces of the AT, and if that's what you call a "trail" well then you've been raised in the overly-populated / overly-polluterd eastern US and have no sense of perspective. For goodness sakes, the first thing I hear people talk about is...a "trail" where you have pre-buiolt / configured "shelters"? To many out west, that's just not "backpacking", that's some other form of eastern mass-transit!

2. That "ocean" you have access to (after you drive 11 hours across the state) is, unfortunately, a sewer. It is polluted by all the East Coast runoff, and it really doesn't look like much more than a wading pool. If I'm going to have a surfing contest, would I go to the East Coast where there are basically no waves of any significance, or, do I go to Santa Cruz / some other area in the west? "Nuff said. The Atlantic is a pond, in many respects, not an ocean.

3. The weather sucks. (I'm speaking of Western PA here). In summer, it's humid, in winter, it's cold & humidity makes it worse. Growing up, it was great because I could make a couple $$ shoveling driveways, the reality is why in the world would one choose to live somewhere where you have to shovel your way out to get to work in the morning! Sheesh, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out!

Out here, I drive to the mountains in 45 minutes if I want to play in the snow, then when I'm done playing I drive home.

Well, I guess it's obvious why I chose to live out here vs. out East. Nice place for some people, but not for backpackers, imho.

BUT... the final answer is related to real estate value. One of the reasons California is so out-of-control is because people actually want to live here for all the reasons cited above, and more. On the other hand... the problem my aunt is facing... who in their right mind would CHOOSE to live in Western PA?

So, now you know how I feel! :)
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“anyone who considers PA a nice place to live has had a very sheltered life.
- wanderer

I happen to love living in Pennsylvania. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and you can rant like a lunatic until you are blue in the face about this state, but who the hell are you to tell me how I have lived my life?”

“Pennsy, have you lived anywhere else? What is your sense of perspective? If that' the only place you've lived, well good for you ... and I'm serious! Glad you like it!”

“Pennsy actually brings up a very good point, different from what was originally asked, but a very good point nonetheless.

We all have to make the best of wherever it is we live. We can't whine and moan about what we "used to have" or "left behind". Early in my career I was transferred around a lot, and I learned early on that the best thing I could do was learn to appreciate what the local area had to offer vs. b!tch about what I used to like but didn't have anymore.

I actually think that's the key to happiness... accept & make the most of what you have... stop complaining about what you DON'T have!”

““anyone who considers PA a nice place to live has had a very sheltered life.
- wanderer

Pennsy... again... if you like it & are a happy camper, well then good for you! All I was saying is "everthing is relative". Everyplace CAN be a "nice place to live" if one's attitude is correct, however let's be honest w each other and admit that some places have a lot more to offer than others.

In that vein... Pennsylvania ranks kinda' low. In comparison to many other areas... they don't have a lot of positives to offer.”

“tons of nice people live in PA
best people in the world”

“There are nice people everywhere, obviousdude. That's not the point.”

“I've lived in other places and have been to many other states when I was younger, but I love living in PA. The outdoor life is great for what I like to do and best of all it's convenient. I can hike and backpack right out my backdoor, go fly fishing for wild trout 10 minutes from here at several great streams that are open all year, lots of forests and woodlands close by for mountain biking or whatever without crowds. The weather isn't bad and at least it's safe. We don't have earthquakes, mudslides, firestorms, etc. Good medical care too, the University of Pennsylvania Hospital has some of the best doctors in the U.S. It all depends what you are looking for I guess, but for me this is it.”

“I hear it's the people in parts of California that suck ;op”

“I like Pennsylvania. Good people. Lots and lots of forest. Thousands of miles of trails with very few users. I don't live there now, but I still hike there. I'd much rather live there than California. I've lived in both and there's no question. California's mountains are more spectacular - but also much more crowded. In PA you don't need a permit to go backpacking - you just head out. There's more wildlife too. And it's much cheaper to live there than on the west coast.”

“I guess it's hard to have a conversation of the merits of living in one part of the country vs another without it being percieved as some kind of competitive "battle". That wasn't what I meant at all, so sorry if it came across that way.

Wherever you live, whoever you are, please appreciate and enjoy what you have around you!

Except for you, Y2, F you. :)”

“Ginny there's thousands & thousands of square miles in CA where you don't need permits either. Problem is most tourons come here and hike the "hotspots" or camp at some popular destination like Yosemite & think that's indicative of CA. They haven't a clue.

Here's the real data, per Wilderness.net

Wilderness area by state:
State : Acres : % of total
California: 14,085,258 13.21%
Pennsylvania 9,031 0.01%

The numbers are so vastly different you can't even compare them.
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“Something to keep in mind is Wilderness.net only lists national wilderness areas. For example it lists New York as having 1,363 acres of wilderness. New York State has very little federally owned lands of this nature, because the state owns most of it. The High Peaks Wilderness which is 192,685 acres is just one of many designated wilderness areas within the state.”

“It's not the size of your wilderness, it's how you use it.”

“Damn. I rarely spell things wrong but Ewker is right there when I do. What a great guy.
Sarge
4:22:51 PM
3/02/06

glad I could help you out =)”

“The numbers Wanderer posted are misleading since lots of PA.'s open space is designated as State Forests, Natural areas, Wild areas and Game Lands, not wilderness.
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“Not a "battle" wanderer? your posts could have fooled me.

and your statistics don't take into consideration all the state designated wild and natural areas in PA.

Parts of PA are polluted, as are places in every state, but I guess LA and Oakland are absolutely pristine.

I've lived in several states, each is very beautiful and contain things no other state has.”

“Well at least PA seems like an actual real place, instead of that alleged state "Indiana" where you purport to live now. hahaha. ;-) I've had some fun times in PA, Philly has like the cheapest bars in America. And my friend used to live in Lancaster, their house and land was soooo pretty. Just be careful not to be sucked into an Amish cult! LMAO.”

“you can still get wooded acreage in NW Wisconsin for as low as 1500/2000 per acre. There's a small 80 acre farm, 5 bedroom house with 5 out buildings for 168K. Some wooded, some not. Small pond on NE corner.”

“Nimblefoots makin the hard sell again.........”

“Oh yeah, we have truckloads of rocks arriving daily just to attract buyers from Pa.”

“My Pa's land... all sold awhile ago, but probably $1,500 to $3,000 acre, given prices around here.

;-)”

“Well we're living here in Allentown
And they're closing all the factories down
Out in Bethlehem they're killing time
Filling out forms
Standing in line
Well our fathers fought the Second World War
Spent their weekends on the Jersey Shore
Met our mothers in the USO
Asked them to dance
Danced with them slow
And we're living here in Allentown
But the restlessness was handed down
And it's getting very hard to stay
Well we're waiting here in Allentown
For the Pennsylvania we never found
For the promises our teachers gave
If we worked hard
If we behaved
So the graduations hang on the wall
But they never really helped us at all
No they never taught us what was real
Iron and coke
And chromium steel
And we're waiting here in Allentown
But they've taken all the coal from the ground
And the union people crawled away
Every child has a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face
Well I'm living here in Allentown
And it's hard to keep a good man down
But I won't be getting up today
And we're living here in Allentown”

“I don't quite get the "crowded hiking in CA" comment. I've been backpacking for, what, 25 years or so? And I practically never see anybody else, and I don't even hike that far in. Of course, when TTers from the east invade,....”

“Hey BowlderMan, when are you going to come to Tenn and hike the Smokies.”

“same here Boulder man, when I lived there and was backpacking, it was a rare day on the trail I saw someone else on the trail.”

“wanderer, if you think we Pennsylvanians think our best and only trail is the AT, you are mistaken. The AT is far from the best trail in PA. I like living in PA, I'm happy here. I'm glad you like it there in CA. I have lived in several different states as well. PA has been my favorite, but like jmitch said, each state has it's own attributes which makes it unique and special. If you think PA is rusted out, hasbeen, polluted, over crowded state, then you've never really been to PA.”

“Want to buy land in NY?
http://www.landandfarm.com/lf/s/63/75488.asp”

“only problem with Pa is those Yankees ;)”

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