Iraq Going Well (Bush Right Again!!!)

“BULL$HIT!
�I'm so tired of this crap. Bush said over and over...this will be a long fight, it won't be easy.

Truth, try it Y2. Not opinion, TRUTH�
stratd00d
2:27:03 PM
2/03/09
ignore this user

Yea, it is hard to defeat an enemy that is willing to strap C4 to their child's chest and send them into a crowd.

The only way to win is wipe an entire race of people into extinction.”

“�Meanwhile in Afghanistan, a terrorist dressed up as a cop, walked into the police precinct and killed 21 cops. Sure smells like success!�
roseymonster
4:21:08 PM
2/03/09

You have an orgasm after reading that, rosey?”

“It's not about "acting" there. It's about letting them know we got our eye on them. It's about them sponsoring terrorism(which Iraq did too). It's about them obtaining nukes and giving them to Bin Laden. You're just a simple minded ideologue, you wouldn't understand.

And another thing...Saddam Husien killed ONE MILLION PEOPLE....justify that. How can a person who murdered 1,000,000 souls be given the benefit of any doubt?”

“When you base your entire foreign policy around being able to knock down dictators with little effort and little cost and you're sitting here six years and probably several trillion dollars later proclaiming success from finishing an election without a 'major attack' - then you've failed.


So. Saddaam won another election, huh?

Step back please, Y2 needs all the room he can get for projecting his thoughts into people and generally looking foolish.”

“Death doesn't sexually excite me.

Strat, I assume ur including the Iran/Iraq war. Even then, a million is a stretch, I think.

More importantly, who made us the moral freakin compass for the world? We haven't done JACK about Darfur and countless other atrocities. It's lame to play the humanitarian cause card with our invasion of Iraq. That's just a convenient whitewashing.”

“So what do we do? Pick and choose? Do nothing like the UN? Whack them all?”

“So rather than looking at where we went wrong and adapting to the future the thinking of this particular conservative 'think tank' has decided to live in a pretend world where we make no missteps, we're good and our enemies are evil.... and superheroes are real, and money rains down from the wealthy to all of us.

You guys are so naive it's frightening. No wonder you're so easily fooled.
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“You boys are just prime examples of the lack of understanding and even the desire to understand the rest of the world. You're a prime example of why we've not achieved our goals and failed on a number of fronts.”

“Who is "we"? You and the Queen?”

“Can you give some indication if you're trying to be funny or just a tosser NonC - because as usual it's impossible to tell?”

“".....the thinking of this particular conservative 'think tank' has decided to live in a pretend world where we make no missteps, we're good and our enemies are evil...."

It really is a tank full of "something", ain't it?

They are easily fooled because they like the brand of schit the Dubya Cabal was peddling anyway.
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when was the above picture taken? what's the date today? are we still winning?
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“"are we still winning?"

I can't say for sure but they are certainly spending billions in taxpayer's money every week.”

“'W' was right that day. He had accomplished getting us into a lifelong babysitting job that would cost $10billion a month for ever. But, Eisenhower would be proud that the military industral complex could have a lifetime of their healthiest of business to feed the mongers.”

“Yea, it is hard to defeat an enemy that is willing to strap C4 to their child's chest and send them into a crowd.

The only way to win is wipe an entire race of people into extinction.”
Wounded Knee
5:36:51 PM
2/03/09

I thought that too until Bush's stroke of genius caused those enemies to put themselves in front of the guns of our soldiers instead of on our buses, shopping centers and crowded civilian sites.”

“and you're as delusional as your "genius".”

“who do you think we were fighting in Iraq, demwit?”

“demwit, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL”

“who do you think we were fighting in Iraq, demwit?”

your obviously the dim one here as we're fighting iraqis who are fighting the american invaders. you'd be doing the same thing a-hole. there we no terrorist in iraq when usa unlawfully attacked that country. iraq posed no threat to anyone. if they wanted to get rid of saddam hussain they should have done so themselves. that is the only way they will cherish real freedom. oth, the terrorists are only getting bigger and better in afghanistan.
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“We had two choices; fight um or buy um--- It's obious we can't afford the price much longer.”

“ok, offtrack just showed himself to be totally uninformed and not worth commenting to. Apparently he has never heard the term "Al Quada in Iraq" or that everyone with any knowledge of the war whether they agreed or not with the war, whether they were democrat or republican, all agreed that Al Quada was heavily involved in Iraq. (after the war started. They came in droves to fall in front of our guns)
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“Silly trolls are like that, hyway.”

“ever heard of al sadr? way more of them then aii. hey, at least you're facing up to the fact that there was no terrorists in iraq before. that's some prgress. i have hope for you yet. BUT don't ignore the threats further east like your "genius" has.”

“look up the term troll, will ya? you an a few others seem to have no clue as to what that actually is. you are pretty much the perfect example of a troll. arsehole.”

“Troll”

“offtrack, you are the definition of troll. Your only purpose of being here is to flame on feugo threads. No one knows who you are. You may not like stove, but he is a real person that a great many people on this forum has met. A troll isn't someone who disagrees with you. A troll is someone who hides behind a fake internet persona to flame others ... just like you do.

My earlier posts says nothing about whether or not there were WMD or if al quida was in Iraq before the war. My point was that when everyone in the US had no clue how we could ever fight a war on terrorist who had no borders ... Bush didn't just wring his fingers. he set up a situation that sucked in Al Queda command and control members as well as the cannon fodder and put them against our soldiers. We demolished Al Queda as a world wide force and left them in the backwoods of afgan and pakistan.
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“He didn't wring his fingers he made a major strategic blunder that has done more harm than good.

All this crap about soaking up AQ is BS. Invading Iraq was never the right decision and living in denial and claiming some sort of victory is not the answer or the same mistakes will be made again.

America's long-term interests have been hurt by this poor decision. All the excuses in the world will not change this.”

““Troll”

yes stovie, that's the word i want you too look up.. you're halfway there little buddy.

hyway, you go ahead look it up too man.
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““He didn't wring his fingers he made a major strategic blunder that has done more harm than good.

All this crap about soaking up AQ is BS. Invading Iraq was never the right decision and living in denial and claiming some sort of victory is not the answer or the same mistakes will be made again.

America's long-term interests have been hurt by this poor decision. All the excuses in the world will not change this.”


exactly and well said y2. these guys want to be ignorant, i guess we'll let them.


hyway, we haven't done #&%!$ to alqaida. don't fool yourself. look into that too, eh?

and just because you don't know who i am doesn't mean $hit. look up the words i told you too because you, stove boi and i few others are looking like imbeciles.
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“does anyone on this forum know you? If not, and you exist mostly to feugo, then you are a troll according to the culture of this forum. I care not what definition you bring in with you.”

“it's not my definition but the real definition. look it up. i have hardly posted in fuego. that is the last reason i am here.”

“Silly troll”

“silly i'll go with but your the troll stovie. that is all you ever post. is your paste stuck or something? or is that a flat line for a brainwave bevis?”

“Without the people to elevate him to a position of power (and then prop him up), Bush wouldn't have been dangerous at all.

They don't flatter themselves by brown-nosing the biggest #&%!$up in modern times, but they do it with gusto. We told them he was a #&%!$up nearly a decade ago and after everything that's happened they Still don't have a clue.

It's simply astounding.”

“Stupid Troll”

“If you cut a zero in half horizonally and invert the top half you has a double 'U'.”

“Yep, initially, but then we screwed it up, because you can't have a pentagon policy operating in isolation.

Screwing up our response to the jihadists didn't take away the fact that we could have used our forces in theatre to demolish any country in the region had we so choosen. Believe me when I say that fact was not lost on ME leaders. One of Bush's more brilliant moves was convincing the world he was a crazy dolt, and might actually go into another war.

Salvaging something from a failed policy now doesn't mean it was the right move in the first place.

I don't know if it was the right move in the first place. What I do know is that it wasn't necessarily a mistake, regardless of the cries of "lost war" by the liberals. History will tell.”

“there we no terrorist in iraq when usa unlawfully attacked that country. iraq posed no threat to anyone. if they wanted to get rid of saddam hussain they should have done so themselves. that is the only way they will cherish real freedom. oth, the terrorists are only getting bigger and better in afghanistan.

You're showcasing some profound ignorance, there, bub. First, with modern technology, well entrenched totalitarianism is almost impossible to overthrow entirely from within - which was the case in Iraq. Despots are able to quickly discover and eliminate any organized resistance before it becomes a security threat. Rebels literally don't have a chance to get started in meaningful operations. Second, Saddam had for years violated the agreements in place after GWI and for years taken up arms against us. Saying that it was illegal is only showing that you're being willfully ignorant.
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“Apparently the "salvage" crew (TEAM OBAMAMA...is going to be the first salvage crew in history to sink the ship.”

“As Tilt said XL - simply astounding. Deny deny deny..... Iraq went well apart from that liberal media conspiracy didn't it.”

“Y2, reading is fundamental. I have - many times - said Bush screwed up handling the insurgency in the beginning. I'm not denying it. There were mistakes made. I'm not saying Iraq went "well". I'm saying there were/are tangible benefits and that it wasn't the disaster you liberals have been trying to create.”

“ don't know if it was the right move in the first place. What I do know is that it wasn't necessarily a mistake, regardless of the cries of "lost war" by the liberals. History will tell. -- SMUTT

LMAO! It's like Mutt memorized Condi's admission that she didn't do squat as Sec of State and "history will tell."

Soooo, sad.
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“Quoted for truth, obviously.”

“It isn't so much a question of "lost war".
This is NOT the kind of war that the U.S. can actually lose.
The Iraqis are not coming to pay us back.

The fact is that the benefits(what are the benefits, again?) are not worth the cost.
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““Y2, reading is fundamental. I have - many times - said Bush screwed up handling the insurgency in the beginning. I'm not denying it. There were mistakes made. I'm not saying Iraq went "well". I'm saying there were/are tangible benefits and that it wasn't the disaster you liberals have been trying to create.”
Mutt
7:49:19 AM
2/04/09

I know what you're saying Mutt. But from my point of view is that any tangible benefits we have managed to salvage from this are outweighed by the costs. This whole exercise has demonstrated the limits of American military power and not the extent.

It's hindsight admittedly, but it's pretty clear that we'd be in a far stronger position now had we not embarked on an unnecessary invasion of Iraq.

We need an honest assessment of where we went wrong to make sure we make the right decisions in the future, not a series of excuses and inflated achievements.

And in terms of having the ability to wipe out any enemy it chooses, that's correct, but it's fundamentally not in America's broader interests to do so.”

“Halliburton got a #&%!$ load of money out of it.”

“but it's pretty clear that we'd be in a far stronger position now had we not embarked on an unnecessary invasion of Iraq.

Stronger position in terms of what? We wiped out AQ's operational capabilities. Jesus, you guys will never be satisfied. You wanted a strong response to terrorism, and that's exactly what you got. But instead of recognizing it, you whine that while we were taking care of that, other problems around the world have grown. Guess what? That ALWAYS happens in situations like this. Your partisan perspective totally destroys your ability to see the larger picture.”

“Democracy in the middle east would be very worthwhile. Iraq has had a couple relatively problem free elections. It will take time but when people see that a ruling party change due to elections doesn't come with widespread killings of the ousted party members it will grow even stronger. Unless we pull out too soon and let it fall in on itself.”

“That's the hope Hyway - the trouble is we could just as easily see the country descend into chaos or become part of a wider middle eastern conflict. It's cost us trillions of dollars and the lives and limbs of thousands to stop that already.


MY partisan perspective. Stop talking #&%!$ Mutt. You the one trapped in the mentality that if the American military is doing it, it must be the right thing to do. You read a report written by some ex general and seem to think you have the inside track on things.

I'm specifically talking about the wider picture. We could have made these gains against AQ without the huge negatives of invading Iraq.

The entire point is not whether out tactics will achieve something, it's whether the overarching strategy of the past seven years has been flawed - and it has been, fatally.
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