Iraq Going Well (Bush Right Again!!!)

“You guys really spew some empty rhetoric and opt to not answer the pointed inquiries I propose.

That is fine, but it hardly constitutes any sort of meaningful discourse.

I have no problem proclaiming my beliefs: one of the great things about this country.
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“That's true. Just giving you a heads up.”

“Listen to Carly Simon ,dudes.”

“People like the Axis of Idiots are ruining America. They should simply be ignored.”

“Yes, I understand bubba bear, your poor little union heart is bitter because the WAR is going better for the U. S.”

“What does the "surge" have in common with the Axis of Idiots?






Evidently, on a daily basis, neither are working.”

“AWWWWW CRAP...looks like even Der Spiegel is offering good news.....

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,499154,00.html

Ramadi is an irritating contradiction of almost everything the world thinks it knows about Iraq -- it is proof that the US military is more successful than the world wants to believe. Ramadi demonstrates that large parts of Iraq -- not just Anbar Province, but also many other rural areas along the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers -- are essentially pacified today. This is news the world doesn't hear: Ramadi, long a hotbed of unrest, a city that once formed the southwestern tip of the notorious "Sunni Triangle," is now telling a different story, a story of Americans who came here as liberators, became hated occupiers and are now the protectors of Iraqi reconstruction.

The cool part will be watching the AXIS OF SURRENDER try to line up when we are winning....(LOL)”

“"A trio of suicide bombings left at least 100 people dead and 150 wounded in a northern Iraqi town Tuesday, police said. Officials said bombers detonated three trucks laden with explosives in separate residential locations."

source - the surge”

“source - the surge
Isn't bubba beer so cute when he's stupid?”

“Four suicide bombings kill 175 in Iraq
AP - 4 minutes ago BAGHDAD - Four suicide bombers hit Kurdish Yazidi communities in northwest Iraq with nearly simultaneous attacks on Tuesday, killing at least 175 people and wounding 200 others, the Iraqi military said.

I'd say that was pretty much a big #&%!$ u to the Surge.”

“BraggingBolsteredBloodyBombingsBasturds”

“here is the sum total of stovestompers contribution to this discussion:

Wonder why bubba bear is not chipping in with his usual sillyness?

The libbies get so angry when things go well for the U.S.

Yes, I understand bubba bear, your poor little union heart is bitter because the WAR is going better for the U. S.

Isn't bubba beer so cute when he's stupid?

what a charmer. no wonder the ladies are all over him”

“BraggingBolsteredBloodyBombingsBasturds#2”

“I keep cracking up at ENS's post.It's as if he thinks people are dying in Iraq because they're over there looking for WMD. LOL!”

“LOL...if the libbies had been advising the British government on Ireland...there would still be a horrible civil war going on....”

“TT whack-a-mole experts.”

“I'll go along with the optimism. We declared victory in May '03', yes? I am curious: Can someone tell me where the worlds mightiest army can stroll in Iraq with impunity? What do we control?”

“War is not healthy for flowers and other living things.”

“LOL...if the republicans had been running the war in Iraq...there would still be a horrible civil war going on....

uh, wait a minute...”

“Hey punk, the 'surge' is working as well as all the rest the Bushies have done ,so go play with your lead coated toys.”

“LOL...UN you know in 1947 Life Magazine reported that we had LOST the War in Germany (which we DESTROYED) becuase of the Werewolf attacks and other problems....I guess you libbies find a song you stay with it....”

“i see my question was too difficult, perhaps?”

“You'd call Ron Paul a libby wouldn't you and then go off into your ancient world of meaningless history rants while sitting in your little socialist chair?”

“LOL...UN you know in 1947 Life Magazine reported that we had LOST the War in Germany (which we DESTROYED) becuase of the Werewolf attacks and other problems

where do you get this sh|t? seriously. can you cite a source for this? i want to see this article”

“XL, do you live in a land called Hon-a-lee??”

“werewolves = SS officers”

“where do you get this sh|t? seriously. can you cite a source for this? i want to see this article”
hikerboy
10:53:02 AM
8/15/07

I bet he owns it.”

“Its august guys, the bombers are all on vacation here in the US....

:}”

“LIFE Magazine: Americans Are Losing the Victory in Europe

January 7, 1946


We are in a cabin deep down below decks on a Navy ship jam-packed with troops that’s pitching and creaking its way across the Atlantic in a winter gale. There is a man in every bunk. There’s a man wedged into every corner. There’s a man in every chair. The air is dense with cigarette smoke and with the staleness of packed troops and sour wool.

“Don’t think I’m sticking up for the Germans,” puts in the lanky young captain in the upper berth, “but…”

“To hell with the Germans,” says the broad-shouldered dark lieutenant. “It’s what our boys have been doing that worries me.”

The lieutenant has been talking about the traffic in Army property, the leaking of gasoline into the black market in France and Belgium even while the fighting was going on, the way the Army kicks the civilians around, the looting.

“Lust, liquor and loot are the soldier’s pay,” interrupts a red-faced major.

The lieutenant comes out with his conclusion: “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” You hear these two phrases again and again in about every bull session on the shop. “Two wrongs don’t make a right” and “Don’t think I’m sticking up for the Germans, but….”

The troops returning home are worried. “We’ve lost the peace,” men tell you. “We can’t make it stick.”

A tour of the beaten-up cities of Europe six months after victory is a mighty sobering experience for anyone. Europeans. Friend and foe alike, look you accusingly in the face and tell you how bitterly they are disappointed in you as an American. They cite the evolution of the word “liberation.” Before the Normandy landings it meant to be freed from the tyranny of the Nazis. Now it stands in the minds of the civilians for one thing, looting.

You try to explain to these Europeans that they expected too much. They answer that they had a right to, that after the last war America was the hope of the world. They talk about the Hoover relief, the work of the Quakers, the speeches of Woodrow Wilson. They don’t blame us for the fading of that hope. But they blame us now.

Never has American prestige in Europe been lower. People never tire of telling you of the ignorance and rowdy-ism of American troops, of out misunderstanding of European conditions. They say that the theft and sale of Army supplies by our troops is the basis of their black market. They blame us for the corruption and disorganization of UNRRA. They blame us for the fumbling timidity of our negotiations with the Soviet Union. They tell us that our mechanical de-nazification policy in Germany is producing results opposite to those we planned. “Have you no statesmen in America?” they ask.


The Skeptical French Press

Yet whenever we show a trace of positive leadership I found Europeans quite willing to follow our lead. The evening before Robert Jackson’s opening of the case for the prosecution in the Nurnberg trial, I talked to some correspondents from the French newspapers. They were polite but skeptical. They were willing enough to take part in a highly publicized act of vengeance against the enemy, but when you talked about the usefulness of writing a prohibition of aggressive war into the law of nations they laughed in your face. The night after Jackson’s nobly delivered and nobly worded speech I saw then all again. They were very much impressed. Their manner had even changed toward me personally as an American. Their sudden enthusiasm seemed to me typical of the almost neurotic craving for leadership of the European people struggling wearily for existence in the wintry ruins of their world.

The ruin this war has left in Europe can hardly be exaggerated. I can remember the years after the last war. Then, as soon as you got away from the military, all the little strands and pulleys that form the fabric of a society were still knitted together. Farmers took their crops to market. Money was a valid medium of exchange. Now the entire fabric of a million little routines has broken down. No on can think beyond food for today. Money is worthless. Cigarettes are used as a kind of lunatic travesty on a currency. If a man goes out to work he shops around to find the business that serves the best hot meal. The final pay-off is the situation reported from the Ruhr where the miners are fed at the pits so that they will not be able to take the food home to their families.

“Well, the Germans are to blame. Let them pay for it. It’s their fault,” you say. The trouble is that starving the Germans and throwing them out of their homes is only producing more areas of famine and collapse.

One section of the population of Europe looked to us for salvation and another looked to the Soviet Union. Wherever the people have endured either the American armies or the Russian armies both hopes have been bitterly disappointed. The British have won a slightly better reputation. The state of mind in Vienna is interesting because there the part of the population that was not actively Nazi was about equally divided. The wealthier classes looked to America, the workers to the Soviet Union.

The Russians came first. The Viennese tell you of the savagery of the Russian armies. They came like the ancient Mongol hordes out of the steppes, with the flimsiest supply. The people in the working-class districts had felt that when the Russians came that they at least would be spared. But not at all. In the working-class districts the tropes were allowed to rape and murder and loot at will. When victims complained, the Russians answered, “You are too well off to be workers. You are bourgeoisie.”

When Americans looted they took cameras and valuables but when the Russians looted they took everything. And they raped and killed. From the eastern frontiers a tide of refugees is seeping across Europe bringing a nightmare tale of helpless populations trampled underfoot. When the British and American came the Viennese felt that at last they were in the hands of civilized people. But instead of coming in with a bold plan of relief and reconstruction we came in full of evasions and apologies.

U.S. Administration a Poor Third

We know now the tragic results of the ineptitudes of the Peace of Versailles. The European system it set up was Utopia compared to the present tangle of snarling misery. The Russians at least are carrying out a logical plan for extending their system of control at whatever cost. The British show signs of recovering their good sense and their innate human decency. All we have brought to Europe so far is confusion backed up by a drumhead regime of military courts. We have swept away Hitlerism, but a great many Europeans feel that the cure has been worse than the disease.

The taste of victory had gone sour in the mouth of every thoughtful American I met. Thoughtful men can’t help remembering that this is a period in history when every political crime and every frivolous mistake in statesmanship has been paid for by the death of innocent people. The Germans built the Stalags; the Nazis are behind barbed wire now, but who will be next? Whenever you sit eating a good meal in the midst of a starving city in a handsome house requisitioned from some German, you find yourself wondering how it would feel to have a conqueror drinking out of your glasses. When you hear the tales of the brutalizing of women from the eastern frontier you think with a shudder of of those you love and cherish at home.

That we are one world is unfortunately a brutal truth. Punishing the German people indiscriminately for the sins of their leader may be justice, but it is not helping to restore the rule of civilization. The terrible lesson of the events of this year of victory is that what is happening to the bulk of Europe today can happen to American tomorrow.

In America we are still rich, we are still free to move from place to place and to talk to our friends without fear of the secret police. The time has come, for our own future security, to give the best we have to the world instead of the worst. So far as Europe is concerned, American leadership up to now has been obsessed with a fear of our own virtues. Winston Churchill expressed this state of mind brilliantly in a speech to his own people which applies even more accurately to the people of the U.S. “You must be prepared,” he warned them, “for further efforts of mind and body and further sacrifices to great causes, if you are not to fall back into the rut if inertia, the confusion of aim and the craven fear of being great.”


Getting Déjà Vu yet? Here's more from this issue of LIFE...

The first winter of peace holds Europe in a deathly grip of cold, hunger and hopelessness. In the words of the London Sunday Observer: “Europe is threatened by a catastrophe this winter which has no precedent since the Black Death of 1348.”

These are still more than 25,000,000 homeless people milling about Europe. In Warsaw nearly 1,000,000 live in holes in the ground. Six million building were destroyed in Russia. Rumania has her worst drought of 50 years, and in Greece fuel supplies are terribly low because the Nazis, during their occupation, decimated the forests. In Italy the wheat harvest, which was a meager 3,450,000 tons in 1944, fell to an unendurable 1,304,000 tons in 1945. In France, food consumption per day averages 1,800 calories as compared with 3,000 calories in the U.S.

Germany is sinking even below the level of the countries she victimized. The German people are still better clothed than most of Europe because during the war they took the best of Europe’s clothing. But their food supply is below subsistence level. In the American zone they beg for the privilege of scraping U.S. army garbage cans. Infant mortality is already so high that a Berlin Quaker, quoted in the British press, predicted. “No child born in Germany in 1945 will survive. Only half the children aged less than 3 years will survive.”

On Germany, which plunged the Continent into its misery, falls the blame for its own plight and the plight of all Europe. But if this winter proves worse even than the war years, blame will fall on the victor nations. Some Europeans blame Russia for callousness to misery in eastern Europe. But some also blame America because they expected so much more from her. On the following pages the distinguished novelist John Dos Passos, who has been abroad as LIFE correspondent, reports on Europe’s suffering and what it means for America.


OOOOPS THE LIBBIES BITE IT AGAIN>>>>>(LOL)

http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/losing_media.html


YOU GOTTA LOVE IT WHEN YOU GET A SHOT LIKE THAT...
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“Couldn't even take a nap after the market without hearing the death toll from Iraqs' bombing topping 500 and more to count. Ugly stuff.”

“Oh Dear....a troop reduction would mean...we need less soldiers there...meaning...things are going better...meaning...LIBBIES WRONG LIBBIES WRONG....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/15/petraeus.troops.ap/index.html”

“yeah the trolls have been to busy celebrating our "victory" to notice all the Iraqi body bags....”

“i read the entire article you cut and pasted xl and still didnt see any reference to "we had LOST the War in Germany becuase of the Werewolf attacks"

i did see this though...

We have swept away Hitlerism, but a great many Europeans feel that the cure has been worse than the disease.

change hitler to saddam and europeans to iraqis and you make a good point”

“Excellent XL. Therefore/ergo/sum we are winning b/c some say we are losing.

Now answer my simple question posted above to add to this great victory.”

“wow. He disappeared. Shocked again.”

“Love is blind and the Bush worshippers are unable to see whenever the little tampon tells them another ringer.”

“For those waiting to see what Petraeus has to say, it appears that it may not be the unvarnished truth everyone had hoped for (and a democracy deserves). According to this story, it will actually be written by the White House.

Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government. ”

“someone was thinking Bush would gamble on a source he didnt control?”

“Sorry trolls...but I was working. LOL....I had to reread your lines twice to get the gist..."regardless of everything we see in the media (now both left, right and center) we are still losing"

Guys this pathological hatered of Bush is becoming a Religion with you guys. You believe it becuase....well you believe it.

LOL....I love it. I noticed the Dems are still running AGAINST the President...guess what? He is out in 08 meaning you are running looking backwards. But please don't quit on my account it makes it easier to show the people how silly and out of touch you are.”

“Here's a Reality Check: over a milion people dead who whould be alive otherwise.

Way Ta Go, Guys.

"Iraq In The Toilet"”

“WAHAHAHAA....TILTYPOO is WRONG AGAIN!!!!

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/TonyBlankley/2007/08/15/democrats_disgrace”

“The problems of being a lonely superpower?Boy Dick, all of our destruction equipment is idle, can't you find something to destroy? Well George, seems to be time for them to destroy us for a while.”

“We have won the war in Iraq.

The French Ambassador showed up in Baghdad.”

“LOL...nah that means things are getting THAT bad in France (he is fleeing to avoid danger)”

“
Face the Nation (CBS News) - Sunday, August 19, 2007

SCHIEFFER: Finally today, 16 years on FACE THE NATION has taught me one thing: When I ask a question and guests start laying out conditions, such as, `First, let me tell you this,' or `The real question is' or `It is important to put all that in context,' I know that we're headed down the old rabbit trail that will take us anywhere but to a straight answer. When people want to answer, they do so quickly, directly and clearly. When they don't, we get all those conditions and the lectures about the importance of context.

So excuse me for getting a little suspicious after hearing the White House is now proposing some new conditions on the delivery of General Petraeus' long-awaited report on progress in Iraq. Conditions such as the White House wanting the general to deliver the report to Congress behind closed doors, while Cabinet officers do the talking in public. And suddenly, we're told the general won't actually write the report, but that his thoughts will be incorporated in a summary prepared by the White House.

Now, mind you, this is the report the president has said over and over that he will use to decide where we go from here in Iraq. Over and over, we've been told don't rush to judgment until we hear from the general. Now we're hearing all these new conditions. Maybe it's because I've been dragged down the old rabbit trail too many times by too many people with something to hide, but this does not sound like we're headed to a straight answer. No, this sounds like anything but, and that's a real shame.

That's it for us. We'll see you next week right here on FACE THE NATION.




BURRELLE'S INFORMATION SERVICES / (202)419-1859 / (800)456-2877

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“Well of course Bush is going to use the report to decide the war.

This is getting a bit like emperor cartagia and his "shadow cabinet"”

“the libs are so trusting of the generals”

“http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293815,00.html

Sens. Warner and Levin Travel to Iraq, Praise Surge Results”

“Oddly the Commander in Chief is still running the military. Much to the obfuscation of Democrats.”