Iraq Going Well (Bush Right Again!!!)

“phaedrus - the fact is you don't want to answer the question because it will expose your argument as being incorrect. Your response was to then making personal remarks about me. If you had a valid argument, you would have simple answered the question, but you chose not to. You (and others) would much rather call foul rather than back up your viewpoint. It's the liberal way.

You actually argued that even though Iraq attacked our military, it was not at all a threat. Wow. I'm glad I'm not you dude. I'm sure it was the fault of your childhood or society or Bush or something that you turned out that way.”

“Aww. crap. Now I feel bad.

Sorry Nigal.
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“Hey Sarge, have you stopped beating your wife yet?”

“ANSWER THE QUESTION!”

“phaedrus - If you want to discuss this in person, let me know. Otherwise leave my wife out of it. Understand?”

“Are you threatening me?”

“Did you just talk #&%!$ about my wife?

No, it was not a threat. It was a promise.”

“Cool!

As for your wife, I don't want to meet her in person. I'm happily married. She'll need to find joy elsewhere.”

“You got it phaedrus. It's on buddy. I'll be seeing you.

I'd suggest you schedule your hikes offline.
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“See you then! Bring the whole family!”

“It'll just be me. You might think I'm kidding. I'm not.”

“What's a guy got to do to have this guy pretend to be dead again?”

““Did you just talk #&%!$ about my wife?

No, it was not a threat. It was a promise.”

I do believe he talked trash about you, moonie.”

“Where are the term of participation written?”

“LOL - good meltdown, Sarge! Hey, if I insult your wife, will you come hunt me down too?”

“Pfft.

Leave him be. I rather enjoyed the threat. It's great to be able to out-troll the troll.”

“Wow...go file one indictment and POOF....”

“I think this may be my favorite thread ever.

”

“I think there are three ways to view the Iraq War.

1) Ethics/Morals: Was it moral or ethical to invade? Personally, I think it was completely moral to invade. Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions. And its violation of the Gulf War cease fire brought us back into a technical state of war.

2) Cost/Benefit analysis: Were we likely to gain more than we lose in the war. Let's face it, Bush gambled the national budget, any credible threat of force elsewhere for a decade and our prestige abroad. I think the gains of a stable, Democratic Iraq were not outweighed by the possible, and now probable, cost.

3) Powell Doctrine: If the war was moral, and if it was worth doing, then it should have been done correctly. War is so important that it must be fought with EVERYTHING. This did not happen. It is not happening now. It won't happen in the future.

I think you have to have all three to justify a war.

And, while I think that it is MOST IMPORTANT to look forward to what we have to do to extricate ourselves with some grace, I also think that it is important to assign blame.

I don't think we can move forward until we remove those who are complicit in this failed policy.”

“What? If they're both undefeated? What's with the chicken clause? lol! With OSU's fluffer schedule they'd have to lose half the team in a bus accident to lose a game.”
Nigal
3:37:27 PM
10/10/06

same with Michigan - but it seems more anti-climatic if one of the teams had a loss.”

“LOL..the worst fight I ever started was the one when an person of interest was giving me heck (okay he was drunk) and he finally called me a "M.F"

I looked at him and said, "If you kept your mother off the street that wouldn't happen."
IT WAS ON......oh I won.”

“LOL!

Mama jokes are the best.

Hey Sarge, your mama's so fat, her bathtub's got stretchmarks!”

“I'll keep that in consideration for when we discuss it.”

“Heck, you'd think Pheaddy just called sarge "visorboy" with that reaction.”

“Oh yeah, and Sarge, you're a "visorboy"...


Psst... Buddha what does that mean, exactly?”

“private joke tween' me a Nigal (he thinks it pisses me off er' sumthin')”

““You got it phaedrus. It's on buddy. I'll be seeing you.

I'd suggest you schedule your hikes offline."

LOL! Phaedrus hiking? Haha! he hikes even less than violin.”

“phaedrus - What's ironic is that you suddenly think that 1 man using words asking for a meeting is a threat, but when a military attacks another, it is not.

Seems like the definition of threat changes whenever you want it to.”

“That's ok Nigal, I know where he lives.”

“LOL!

come on by, Sargie-poo!”

“Um, I already said something about that phaedrus. What don't you understand?”

“BB, I remember now, it was that guy who you go into it with in the bar.

You and Nigal still at it with the love-fest?”

“"same with Michigan - but it seems more anti-climatic if one of the teams had a loss.”

What, are ya wanting points now?”

“What don't you understand?”
fullmoonglob
2:12:37 PM
10/10/06

The depths of your insecurity.”

“I'm plenty secure. I'm secure enough to know that I will not let you insult my wife.

chp: 69, stnc: 3”

“phaedrus - What's ironic is that you suddenly think that 1 man using words asking for a meeting is a threat, but when a military attacks another, it is not.

Seems like the definition of threat changes whenever you want it to.”
fullmoonglob
2:09:40 PM
10/10/06

Does this mean I should pre-emptively invade?”

“No wait... I would need to consider it a credible threat.”

“Great! Now Sarge is gonna get rebanned and TT will get all boring again with just Stovey to drive the socialist left crazy.

Thanks a lot Phaed.”

“Sorry, I guess I tripped over one of his little "crazy-triggers".

He should see a professsional.”

“Yeah, insulting my wife is a little crazy-trigger.

You will see a professional.”

“I think it's gonna rain anyone disagree, wingers.”

“I hate to get involved with sarge's latest meltdown over here, but if anything, phaedrus insulted you. He said something about YOU beating your wife (who would be the victim). Essentially, he was talking #&%!$ about you sarge, but then again, it's that whole getting the point thing.

Also, on a context note, I believe ole Pheaddy was joking. But then again, it's the whole taking things into context thing.

Oh well, it was worth a shot anyway. :)”

“Jesus. If he wants to be pissed, fine, but here's the context of that comment:

Loaded Question
Alias:

* Complex Question
* Many Questions
* Plurium Interrogationum
Translation: "many questions", Latin

Form:

A question with a false, disputed, or question-begging presupposition.
Example:

Why should merely cracking down on terrorism help to stop it, when that method hasn't worked in any other country? Why are we so hated in the Muslim world? What did our government do there to bring this horror home to all those innocent Americans? And why don't we learn anything, from our free press, about the gross ineptitude of our state agencies? about what's really happening in Afghanistan? about the pertinence of Central Asia's huge reserves of oil and natural gas? about the links between the Bush and the bin Laden families?

Source: Mark Crispin Miller, "Brain Drain", Context, No. 9

Analysis
Exposition:

A "loaded question", like a loaded gun, is a dangerous thing. A loaded question is a question with a false or questionable presupposition, and it is "loaded" with that presumption. The question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife. If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded.

Since this example is a yes/no question, there are only the following two direct answers:

1. "Yes, I have stopped beating my wife", which entails "I was beating my wife."
2. "No, I haven't stopped beating my wife", which entails "I am still beating my wife."

Thus, either direct answer entails that you have beaten your wife, which is, therefore, a presupposition of the question. So, a loaded question is one which you cannot answer directly without implying a falsehood or a statement that you deny. For this reason, the proper response to such a question is not to answer it directly, but to either refuse to answer or to reject the question.

Sarge's stupid yes or no bull#&%!$ was what prompted it.
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“Everyone else gets it.”

“You should know better than use such a complex undertone with the likes of sarge dude.”

“Er... sorry.”

“Phaedrus, if I still posted on fuego, I'd read this whole thread, then stop by your house and beat your ass too. Just for fun.”

“Kleety, if you stop by, you're getting too drunk to beat anything.”

“Is it just me or are phaed and kleetus going to get it on?”