LET'S DRILL ANWAR

“Drilling in ANWAR will have no effect. All of the oil drilled in Alaska goes to Japan and so will ANWAR oil. The government can not and never will regulate who private businesses do business with and the drillers in ANWAR are private business.”

“At the Wilderness Society website it is also stated that there is no interest by private industry in oil development at ANWR because there is no money to be made from such an effort. It would cost far more to bring that oil to market than it can possibly be sold for.

Market conditions might eventually change, but until then the owners of that resource, namely all Americans should consider it money in the bank to be left in the bank.

There is a much greater resource available, not so much in fuel efficiency, but rather in reduced driving by millions of individuals who acquire employment or housing in closer proximity to the other, carpooling, intelligent planning driving trips to combine errands, decreasing the number of extracuricular activities for schools, returning to a system of neighborhood schools, more folks adopting home-schooling, development of more labor intensive organic agriculture, reducing the pet population considerably, including horses, get away from such sports oriented 'madness' which involves millions commuting thousands of miles frequently for a couple of hour 'fix', etc.

The list of ways to save miles is endless!
last edited: 4/27/05 6:30:59 AM”

“Another relevent point, the Alaska Pipeline has yet to pay for itself.

If the money spent by private industry and the federal government to develop Prudhoe Bay oil had been spent in windmills for the last 35 years, we would all be a lot better off now.

Windmills are one alternative that can produce considerably more energy than is required to build them

not so with,
hydropower
nuclear power
ethanol
fuel cells

There is more than double the amount of oil in the world contained in oil-shale than remains as conventional petroleum, but there again much energy and water is required to extract the oil from the shale.

The 2000 acre claim at ANWR is a VERY BIG LIE!. IT IS REALITY A 1,500,000 ACRE PROPOSED PROJECT!
last edited: 4/27/05 6:57:35 AM”

“"The list of ways to save miles is endless!"

cutting out driving 500 miles for an 8 mile backpacking trip because you love nature so much”

“Well, driving 500 miles by yourself or with one or more others in the vehcle - big difference.

Buses or trains will easily carry a person and pack to near a destination.

And forgive me, but I try to take with only one passenger a 52 day drive around North America each year, currently in a Ford Excursion.

But, my gardening activities are conducted without motorized equipment or fossil fuel based fertilizers and pesticides and my commute to work is only about 20 feet from my bedroom.
last edited: 4/27/05 7:06:12 AM”

“I commute one mile to work on foot.

I get about 500 miles to a pair of walking shoes.

We can grow our own diesel fuel crops to power engines that are already here and running successfully.

The emissions from bio-diesel are non-toxic.

The trick would be to keep the profits from bio-diesel in the hands of family farms and local entrepreneurs and out of the hands of corrupt corporate thieves.”

“Another point about trucks and sports utility vehicles -

Street radial tires allow a mile or two per gallon better fuel efficiency than those 'insane' off-road tires that most such vehicles are equipped with.

Most are rarely if ever driven off-road, plus they handle better (are safer - not as likely to explode either - 'Ford Exploders') and are much quieter in operation.
last edited: 4/27/05 7:49:57 AM”

“When I see this thread title, I still keep thinking... won't they let poor departed Pres. Safat lie in peace. I guess no one else is as demented as I am (or remembers anything about the guy).”

“Sadat
last edited: 4/27/05 12:43:47 PM”

“oops... lousy proof reading there.”

“Sadat got drilled, alright.”

“Received this in an email tonight.

Both the House and Senate passed a budget resolution Thursday night
that paves
the way for oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. But
keep your
chin up! This fight is not over yet, and this is no time to relax our
efforts.

To complete its raid on the Arctic, Congress must still pass a "budget
reconciliation" bill. We're counting on your continued activism to help
us
fight and win that last and decisive round.

Thousands of phone calls and messages from activists like you made
Thursday's
budget votes extremely close. Our Arctic heroes included 11 House
Republicans
(see list below) who defied their party leadership by voting against
the budget
in order to save the Arctic Refuge. In the Senate, two brave
Republicans --
Senator Chafee (RI) and Senator DeWine (OH) -- stood up for the Arctic.

Those who let us down included 20 moderate Republicans in the House and
five in
the Senate: Senators Coleman (MN), Collins (ME), Snowe (ME), McCain
(AZ) and
Smith (OR). They voted for the Arctic Refuge in the past but abandoned
us
Thursday night.

Every House and Senate Democrat opposed the final budget resolution,
although
not always for environmental reasons. But seven House Democrats missed
the vote
altogether, which we lost 214-211.

Please check the lists below to see if your senator and/or
representative was a
Hero, a Disappointment or a No-Show. If so, please call them at the
phone
number provided and deliver the message suggested below.

These calls are enormously important. They will set the stage for the
final
round in this historic fight. Our targeted members of Congress need to
know
that pro-Arctic constituents like you will be watching their next vote
very
closely.

If you are unable to telephone, then please go to the Senate website
[http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm] or
the
House website [http://www.house.gov/writerep/], where you can look up
your
members of Congress and send them email messages.

In the meantime, you can be sure that the NRDC Action Fund will be
working day
and night to defeat any budget reconciliation bill that includes Arctic
drilling. Thank you again for taking the time to defend the Arctic in
its hour
of need!

Sincerely,

John H. Adams
NRDC Action Fund

. . .

ARCTIC HEROES
Call (between 9am and 6pm eastern time) and thank them for voting
against the
budget resolution last week because it threatened the Arctic Refuge.
Urge them
to defend the Arctic again when the budget reconciliation bill comes to
a vote.
Tell them you'll be watching their vote closely.

Senator Lincoln Chafee (RI): 202-224-2921
Senator Mike DeWine (OH): 202-224-2315

Representative Charles Bass (NH-2): 202-225-5206
Representative Sherwood Boehlert (NY-24): 202-225-3665
Representative Michael Castle (DE-at large): 202-225-4165
Representative Nancy Johnson (CT-5): 202-225-4476
Representative Timothy Johnson (IL-15): 202-225-2371
Representative Jim Leach (IA-2): 202-225-6576
Representative Frank LoBiondo (NJ-2): 202-225-6572
Representative Jim Ramstad (MN-3): 202-225-2871
Representative Jim Saxton (NJ-3): 202-225-4765
Representative Christopher Shays (CT-4): 202-225-5541
Representative Rob Simmons (CT-2): 202-225-2076


ARCTIC DISAPPOINTMENTS
Call (between 9am and 6pm eastern time) and express your deep
disappointment
that they abandoned the Arctic Refuge last week by voting for a bad
budget
resolution. Urge them to make up for it by defending the Arctic when
the budget
reconciliation bill comes to a vote. Tell them you'll be watching their
vote
closely.

Senator Norm Coleman (MN): 202-224-5641
Senator Susan Collins (ME): 202-224-2523
Senator John McCain (AZ): 202-224-2235
Senator Gordon Smith (OR): 202-224-3753
Senator Olympia Snowe (ME): 202-224-5344

Representative Roscoe Bartlett (MD-6): 202-225-2721
Representative Jeb Bradley (NH-1): 202-225-5456
Representative Tom Davis (VA-11): 202-225-1492
Representative Vernon Ehlers (MI-3): 202-225-3831
Representative Mike Ferguson (NJ-7): 202-225-5361
Representative Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ-11): 202-225-5034
Representative Jim Gerlach (PA-6): 202-225-4315
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (MD-1): 202-225-5311
Representative Bob Inglis (SC-4): 202-225-6030
Representative Mark Kennedy (MN-6): 202-225-2331
Representative Mark Kirk (IL-10): 202-225-4835
Representative John R. "Randy" Kuhl, Jr. (NY-29): 202-225-3161
Representative Jim Nussle (IA-1): 202-225-2911
Representative Thomas Petri (WI-6): 202-225-2476
Representative Dave Reichert (WA-8): 202-225-7761
Representative John J.H. "Joe" Schwarz (MI-7): 202-225-6276
Representative F. James Sensenbrenner (WI-5): 202-225-5101
Representative Christopher Smith (NJ-4): 202-225-3765
Representative John Sweeney (NY-20): 202-225-5614
Representative James Walsh (NY-25): 202-225-3701


ARCTIC NO-SHOWS
Call (between 9am and 6pm eastern time) and express your disappointment
that
they were absent for the budget resolution vote. Tell them you're
counting on
them to defend the Arctic Refuge when the budget reconciliation bill
comes to a
vote.

Representative James Clyburn (SC-6): 202-225-3315
Representative Lloyd Doggett (TX-25): 202-225-4865
Representative Bob Filner (CA-51): 202-225-8045
Representative Harold Ford, Jr. (TN-9): 202-225-3265
Representative William Jefferson (LA-2): 202-225-6636
Representative Steven Rothman (NJ-9): 202-225-5061
Representative Edolphus Towns (NY-10): 202-225-5936


I see one from Tenn. did show and vote. Guess who gets a call tomorrow
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“Why should anyone care if a remote place (that almost no one will ever see that Alaskans refer to as not particularly attractive or amenable to an outdoor experience) becomes an industrial wasteland? OK, so it will not be a wasteland and could actually be some reclaimed after the oil harvesting activity.

And besides there is an Artic coast of a much greater extent in Canada that will remain undisturbed.

Well, ANWR is somewhat unigue, in that it was not covered by ice-sheets during the last ice-age and most of the Canadian Arctic coasts were. Botanically and zoologically, it is a hotspot, a living laboratory and museum of ages passed.

My college aged nephew ask me awhile back where he could go and walk hundreds of miles without encountering people. He understands the appeal and draw of such a place even if he never gets there.

You either understand or you don't!

After the oil-age is concluded, I feel all Alaska lands North of the Arctic Circle should be cleaned up, roads and facilities erased and be completely returned to Wild-Lands (with the historical number of natives living their historical lifestyle if they so choose).

On another web-site, an Alaskan resident (non-native) complained about the lack of water and sewer services in Alaska and felt more money and jobs were needed in Alaska. A response by another person at that site who was formerly a federal worker in Alaska stated that hundreds of millions have been spent on such boondoggle projects there, often in some communities amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars per resident, extremely expensive to install and nearly impossible to maintain and operate in that environment.

Maybe, just maybe, traditional technigues employed by low numbers of people is appropriate for Alaska.

Wild-Lands Rule!”

“This is what the Republican solution to gas prices looks like -- deformed and mutated biology.

Dumbasses.

http://news.yahoo.com/2-years-later-fish-sick-near-bp-oil-144143260.html”

“Yeah, all those poor Anwar fish...
Eyeroll!”

“Why do you hate the environment so much, strat?”

“why are you twelve, Q?”

“FLAMO!!!”

“Is this the same science as the global warming science? Great article.

Funny.....I remember Daddy-O being propped up here recently for his great pro-drilling oil producing presidency. Are he and a recently departed TTer---let's call him "Cello"--- Republican dumbasses too? LMAO!

Obvious troll is obvious.”

“Any more development of oil resources is a losing battle.”

“Eventually....probably, but not until someone comes up with a viable alternative.”

“Therefore, we should continue to consume at an unprecedented rate.”

“Consumption of gas has been lower every quarter for the last ten years. Domestic oil production is at an all time high. The law states that we do not export domestic oil but can export refined materials. Recently, for the first time in a very long time, we became a net exporter of gas.

I would like to see more of that gas delivered here to United States markets. However, the only things the oil companies care about regarding the US consumer is how much they can gouge them.”

“I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers. According to the feds, we are down about 6% from our all time high in 2007 with regard to consumption:

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mgfupus1&f=a

Imports, as you mention, have declined with domestic production increases. You'll note that consumption is expected to continue increasing.



Thought this was a worthwhile read:
http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/er/executive_summary.cfm

And yeah, those oil companies are laughing all the way to the bank through market manipulation.”