Poll: Bush's position against Kerry stre ngthens

“Only the waxed Kerry boys in panties.”

“1. The economy is strong, do you wish it to continue and jobs continue to be created in great numbers? Or do you put your disdain for Bush above what's good for Americans, regardless of who's in power?

2. Do you hope things improve in Iraq?

Of course you won't answer. That's okay, I stink I know what your response would be if you were completely honest."
Buck
02:35:37 PM
05/17/04

I hope it all turns out rosey, Buck. I just can't turn my brain off long enough to think that it will, though.”

“It's encouraging to hear that you hope good things happen for Americans even under G-Dub. Many libs don't.”

“Buck, do you think the economy suddenly will tank and the war will be lost if Kerry wins?”

“He hopes so.”

“Of course you won't answer, Buck. That's okay, I think I know what your response would be if you were completely honest.”

“Kerry will throw his commander in chief papers over the fence. Everone knows he will.”

“Kerry will throw his commander in chief papers over the fence. Everone knows he will.”

“Buck, do you honestly believe that everyone here whose ideology is less than conservative secretly wishes for a high death toll for our military along with more chaos in Iraq, an economic downturn that will piss everyone off and the capture of the man that killed 3,000 of my fellow Americans just to further a political agenda? C'mon, man! If you really are serious about a question like that, do you wonder why you didn't get a serious answer?”

“Baaaa! sorry.”

“Mutt, no, if Kerry wins, I hope America still continues to be strong in all aspects. I don't despise our leaders and hope America does bad under them, and only good under leaders I prefer. I want good things to happen to America regardless of who's in power, or whether it's before an election or not. The whole purpose is to have a good, strong America, not to have someone termporarily in power that you agree with.”

“That should be - "not to capture the man..."”

“It's encouraging to hear that you hope good things happen for Americans even under Kerry, Buck. Many conservatives don't.



Now don't I sound like a passive-aggressive a-hole?”

“Treebeard, perhaps you haven't noticed the news lately with some liberals even taking the side of the Iraqi resistance. If libs think Bush lied about the war (which he didn't), and this is just a daddy's-revenge war (which it isn't), and that a success in Iraq will assure a Bush reelection, many libs hope for sour events. Same with the economy. I'm glad that you suggest you aren't one of them.”

“Nothing to disagree with there, Buck. I, too, hope for a stronger America.”

“Violin, you all of guys here completely accentuate the "bad" even despite all the good. I have never seen you acknowledge one good positive thing from Bush since I've been on this site. There could be one thorn on a beautiful rose, and you'd rip off the pedals to expose the thorn and say, "AHA, THIS SUCKS!".”

“Granted! But, you are suggesting this to people on this site who I would like to believe are not all that black-hearted...”

“So I hate America, hope more people get killed and lose their jobs, right Buck.

Eat me.”

“One good thing I've said about Bush.

Now shut up, Buck.”

“Bush is great for stand-up comics.

There! I said something good about him. Satisfied?”

“Treebeard, with all the hatred for Bush I've seen here, I was just wondering. I even read on this forum where Buddha Bear wouldn't even mind if Bush was assasinated. What kind of thinking is that? For all the polarized talk, there really isn't THAT much difference between Dems and Repubs. Kerry is just another slick politician from a rich family who cowers before special interests even as he publicly disses them, just like most politicians. Repubs swept elections a couple years ago, Dems will sweep them in the future, and Repubs will again, etc. The populace just gets tired and lets the other side rule for a while, and then votes them out and eventually votes them in again. People don't really like Kerry, there's just a lot who don't like Bush. It's cyclical. It's no big deal.”

“Oh sure, you say that when you're down in the polls.”

“Violin, don't say that while wearing that little thong. Oops, I think you're leaking.”

“Buck, I hope Bush loses the election. I don't think that is any secret. But, not at the expense of some kid who decided to join the military and will nt come home. Or to see people miserable in this country and suffering financial ruin. I hope he loses the election simply because he doesn't get enough votes to win it. I have seen alll to much of what this man has to offer this country. I honestly couldn't fathom that things will turn around so drastically and suddenly that I will change my mind between now and November. BTW, I do have something to say that is positive. I think he handled the pretzel incident very well. He didn't let that little nugget get the best of him! :)”

“"1. The economy is strong, do you wish it to continue and jobs continue to be created in great numbers? Or do you put your disdain for Bush above what's good for Americans, regardless of who's in power?.........."


If the economy is so strong, WTF is up with this?


Stocks Hammered by Oil, Security Fears

Monday, May 17, 2004

NEW YORK — Stocks fell Monday as record-high oil prices fanned inflation fears and the killing of a key player in Iraq's new government heightened investor concerns about geopolitical stability.

In late afternoon trading Monday, the blue-chip Dow Jones industrial average (search) was down 104 points at 9,908 while the technology-packed Nasdaq Composite Index (search) was down 24 points at 1,879. The broader Standard & Poor's 500 Index (search) was down 11 points at 1,084.

Uncertainty over U.S. involvement in Iraq and President Bush's re-election chances gripped Wall Street after Iraqi Governing Council president Izzadine Saleem (search) died in a suicide car bombing in Baghdad that took the lives of eight others. Oil prices also surged to new highs on the news.

The U.S. market had appeared to find a bottom level last week after a major selloff. Combined with continued investor uncertainty over rising interest rates and possible inflation, however, Saleem's death sent stocks far below their previous lows for the year.

"Fear is what's dominated this market over the past month and a half, whether it's Iraq or interest rates or inflation," said Brian Pears, head equity trader at Victory Capital Management. "Any new violence will have a negative effect on the market."

Even before the news from Iraq, stocks skidded overnight in Asia as the bottom fell out of India's markets on the first trading day after an election that overturned the ruling alliance. India's main stock market index initially fell more than 15 percent Monday, the biggest drop in its 129-year history, after a leftist coalition government was elected there. After trading was stopped twice, the markets finished the session down 11.1 percent after the government ordered state-run companies to heavily buy stock.

Tokyo's Nikkei stock average fell 3 percent, and Hong Kong shares, further buffeted by fears China's economy may be overheating, hit fresh 2004 lows. European equities also plumbed 2004 lows on Monday as evidence mounted that surging oil prices were squeezing profit margins at companies like UK flagship carrier British Airways.

With no key economic data scheduled, investors were fixated on surging oil prices. U.S. light crude reached an all-time peak of $41.75 overnight amid worries a sabotage attack on the Middle East oil infrastructure could disrupt supplies. The spike in oil fed speculation that the Federal Reserve might soon hike short-term interest rates to keep a lid on inflation, but many analysts said a rate hike was already largely built into the market.

Wall Street's three major market benchmarks notched their third straight week of losses Friday, bringing them near their 2004 lows. All three gauges are also in negative territory for the year.

"We were made very vulnerable by concerns about higher interest rates, and now you tack on global instability," said Peter Boockvar, equity strategist at Miller Tabak & Co.

Technology companies Oracle Corp. (ORCL) and PeopleSoft Inc. (PSFT) both slid after Oracle on Friday lowered its hostile cash tender offer to buy PeopleSoft by 19 percent, although Oracle said there was no change in its commitment to acquire its closest rival.

Lucent Technologies (LU) also spiraled downward after The Wall Street Journal reported that U.S. regulators are expected to charge former Lucent executives for their roles in accounting problems at the company.

Lucent, the most actively traded stock on the New York Stock Exchange fell 23 cents, or 7 percent, to $3.05. Oracle slipped 1.4 percent to $11.44, and PeopleSoft dropped 3.6 percent to $16.67.

Once-struggling Kmart Holding Corp. (KMRT) rose $1.45 to $45.75 after it posted its second straight profitable quarter after emerging from bankruptcy. However, same-store sales, a key gauge of retail success, continued to fall.

Lowe's Companies Inc. (LOW) , the nation's second-largest home improvement retailer, beat analysts' estimates by 3 cents per share on its quarterly earnings. Loew's fell 28 cents to $50.30.

Toy retailer Toys 'R Us Inc. (TOY) was down 72 cents at $13.66 after it lost a penny per share more than Wall Street had expected. The company blamed inventory liquidation at its competitors for tough sales in the quarter.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 10.21, or 1.9 percent, to 533.55.

Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report.





Fact of the matter, buck, our economy is very fragile. That Rush bullchit you throw around is really old. Go crawl back under that rock you came from, and take the likes of Strat and other America haters with you. People like you have chit on this Country and the World for far too long now. How many more people have to die for your position. I know it must be tough supporting a war criminal. Too bad you couldn't be sentenced as well.

Not only is your position disappointing, it's disgusting and Un-American. I thought the days of the Brown Shirts were over.


Guess I was wrong.”

“Even though I didn’t vote for him, after the election I gave Bush a honeymoon.

After 9-11 I rallied around our leader, as did most people in the country.

Bush used this as an opportunity to push a radical agenda that I believe is against the interests of the country I love. Should I just bend over for more?”

“Down in the polls? Phaed, come on, Bush has had the worst few weeks in his Presidency and he's still in a statistical tie with Kerry. Any "real" contender would have blown through this by 10-20 points by now. But they're still basically in a heat. All kinds of events can change things, even on a daily basis. Kerry hasn't even picked his running mate, for cryin' out loud. If we get Osama, there's a few points right there. If the economy continues to grow strong, there's more points. If Iraq goes to hell, there's points the other way. I think Bush has weathered all this bad news politically rather well, considering what could have been. Kerry just doesn't excite people. Any plus or minus move on the polls is pretty much because of Bush, not Kerry.”

“Just don't do that in front of Mr. Jiffy Lube, aka Buck.”

“Politcal addage:

When your opponent is shooting himself in the foot, don't get in the way.”

“laqtis, I don't read those huge cut and pastes, never have, never will. I don't have the time. If you don't think the economy is strong, then that's your opinion. I think most believe it is very robust and getting stronger. If you take the stock market on any single given day and judge it by that day, then you're obviously not an economist. The stock market goes up and down on a daily basis.”

“I have to agree with Buck. The economy is making a comeback from a terrible time. The problem is the budget deficit. That will come back to bite us.”

“Violin, who's suggesting you bend over? You can disagree politically without being an angry, bitter, obsessed negative pessimistic Bush-hater who endlessly searches the internet for any shred of pessismistic bad news to spin doom in gloom even despite lots of positive news. But then again, you can do anything you damn well please. Yes, you have my permission.

:Þ”

“Jeepers, you are dense. You have to import air all the way up in there?

Nice dismissal. No wonder your a joke.

Don't write a check yer ass can't cash.”

“Phaed, I agree, Bush has screwed with the deficit big time. Bush can't call Kerry a big spender because Bush has failed in that regard. He took his own traditional ammo away.”

“My biggest, self-serving economic fear is the current cost of construction materails. From one who's income is tied directly to how much business expand and build I can say that things are picking up. OTOH, steel is about 50% higher than it was in Jan. Concrete is edging up too. China is undergoing a building boom and all materails are being sucked to that part of the world. I'm afraid that buildings will be too expensive to build in the short term which will nail the construction industry.”

“laqtis, how can I throw around Rush bullcrap when I never even listen to the guy? I happen to be at work each day he's on. I never have any idea what he's saying except when the libs talk about him. You obviously listen to him much more than me.”

“Whoa!

A tie!”

“I don’t hate Bush. There are very few people in the world I can say that I truly hate. Trying for the short list, Buck-a-roo? I don’t even think he’s evil. I just think he’s just not terribly bright and has surrounded himself with convicted criminals and psychopaths who use him like a $5 whore at a bachelor party.

I don’t have to look far for horrible news about Bush. He makes it pretty damned easy.”

“Right, Buck, and this is one of my biggest complaints about the guy. He holds to ideology over common sense - whatever the circumstance.

I give you the following examples:

missile defense in the face of expert advice to focus on terror

Tax cuts in the face of deficit

Iraq invasion in the face of ongoing war on Al-Qaeda, nuclear threat from N korea”

“I guess I better watch retract that before I get sued.

Make that pardoned convicted criminals.”

“""laqtis, how can I throw around Rush bullcrap when I never even listen to the guy? I happen to be at work each day he's on. I never have any idea what he's saying except when the libs talk about him. You obviously listen to him much more than me."........"


It would appear that birds of a feather......

You can not admit it, that's in line with your hyprocritical position. You see, you have an advantage. You don't have to speak froma side that's correct. You can waffle, side step, flip flop, whatnever... were others have to back up there stance by citing facts and figures.

This isn't the phuckin` '50's any more. People like you hold us back as a Nation. Because of people like you, others have to work twice as hard to get reform around here. You remind me of the people back in the day that would say "If you let deem #&%!$s in here, they'll take the whole place over".

Good thing your people took there leaders out when they did, or else we'd all be speaking Ebonics, right Buck?

You have it too easy.”

“missile defense in the face of expert advice to focus on terror

Now hold on - the missile defense is a good long-term strategy, particularly with the Chinese threatening nuclear blackmail.”

“I, too support Missle Defense. It is needed.”

“Speaking of N. Korea, that's been real quiet lately....too quiet.”

“But Phaed, I think Bush has common sense in the examples you just shared.

1. Missile defense - I think it's necessary and even critical. A missile by a rogue nation (ala N. Korea, etc.) is a grave concern. Also, great new technology comes from this stuff. The Patriot Anti-Missile thingy saved perhaps many lives in the first Gulf War. I think investing in anti-missile defense systems is a worthy effort.

2. Tax cuts in face of deficit - I am of the firm belief that tax cuts STIMULATE the economy and generate more tax revenue. I look at it as being similar to the real estate market. If the real estate market is bad, you don't RAISE interest rates (taxes), you cut interest rates and then the market gets hot. More transactions means more tax revenue and more sales means higher incomes and more tax revenue. In the business world it is often better to cut prices to generate more sales and more revenue and hence more profit. Cutting in the face of debt is not a bad policy for many of us, we think it's a solution. So far the economy is responding, at least I think so. And hey, that's all that matters anyway, right? What Buck from the TT forum thinks? You betcha!

3. Iraq War - I see a congregation of terrorists coming from many parts of the world to fight in Iraq. I'd rather have them focus on Iraq and fight our military than focus on our homeland. So far no other strikes have occurred here. I think there will be more, but none so far. I think the Iraq war was a good thing in fighting terrorism.

Now obviously you disagree with my thinking on this, but it is not just Bush being stooopid, there is a philosophy and reason behind these actions, even if it's contrary to yours. I like hiking.”

“laqtis, we differ philosophically. We have different worldviews. That's cool. I respect yours, no worries. We both want what's best for this country and for the world, we have different ways of thinking on how to get there. I think conservatism and traditional moral values are what made us great and will only make us greater, you apparently differ. That's okay.”

“So, your a Racist on top of it!


Why am I not suprised.


Remember that when you call others "haters".”

“Buck, I gotta say it, you have now reached legendary statis as the most hated TTer now. LOL!”

“Ha ha! Nigal, who did I take the honors from? I can't wait to tell my mom, she'll be so proud! :^D”

“Nuclear weapons are obsolete and we should stop wasting money. We will never use them.”