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Sleep? What's that?

Oh, now shep's talking to himself. Whatta wacko.

Shep, Ithaca is just car camping, the Dolly Sods trip is true backpacking! Plus a ton of people are gonna go from TT, it's gonna be a blast.
ScorchFire
12:45:25 AM
4/30/04

Dub, you have mail
ScorchFire
12:47:09 AM
4/30/04

I drive a 4-door toyota truck aand i got 50K

My car has 14" tires. Less surface area and they are thinner...not as much rubber to wear out. On a huge 4x4 you have wider and longer tires, greater surface area = more tread life. I get about 30-40K per set of tires. Just put the last set on about 5K ago.
Dub
12:48:38 AM
4/30/04

well hello smileygirl...i havent personally seen you post over here on THE DARK SIDE very often...

SCORCH....damnit...its tempting...ill have to look into it a little more...i should have my pack down to about 13-15 lbs. by then...ill be sprinting the trail...

hmmm...hey is that girl YAM going?...;) i should look into that...
shep0987
12:50:48 AM
4/30/04

Shep, you are still a troll until I meet you and get you drunk and you pass out on my lap, damnit!
ScorchFire
12:52:10 AM
4/30/04

hahaha DUB where the hell did that kinda reasoning come from...ill let you know this...the bigger the truck or car the faster the tires go...my "wifes" civic has 14 inch tires she had michelins that lasted 74K ...and even then still had some tread left....only changed em to be safe for a long trip she took...on a little bitty car tires last forever...the maxima was a midsize that i smoked the tires off of every chance i got but they still held out forever...its all in the brand buddy...go for the michelins youll thank me later...
shep0987
12:54:42 AM
4/30/04

hey im all for passing out on your lap there scorch...the problem is i dont drink...remember? i thk i have had this discussion before...and besides when i did drink it took enough to get me there that i wouldnt want to carry that in my pack...
shep0987
12:56:29 AM
4/30/04

oh but youre more than welcome to pass out in my lap anytime..
shep0987
12:57:00 AM
4/30/04

That reasoning came from physics. Friction under speed and weight.

...i havent personally seen you post over here on THE DARK SIDE very often

What screenname do you post with on the warm-fuzzy-whiney side?
Dub
12:57:16 AM
4/30/04

ok im too awake...i dont get it...damn girl that was supposed to go camping with me is tying to get me to take all my stuff down there...i don tknow about that...man she is pretty hot..got her webcam on...hmmmmmmm
shep0987
12:58:31 AM
4/30/04

Shep, you sound like a tire commercial.

I forgot that you don't drink, my bad.
ScorchFire
12:59:02 AM
4/30/04

lol you ever had a physics teacher who told you that curveballs dont really curve...i have...and dub trust me on this partner...i do this kinda stuff all day...lol
shep0987
12:59:51 AM
4/30/04

nope just trying to get out the word that less money for cheap #&%!$ is not a good idea....spend more for tires and it ends up costing less in the long run...
shep0987
1:01:02 AM
4/30/04

shep, i'm still at work. was in at 7:30 this morniing, its not almost 2AM. :(
smiley girl
1:01:24 AM
4/30/04

Still at work??? What the hell.. what do you do?
ScorchFire
1:02:05 AM
4/30/04

I'll check my dad's fleet records next time I'm home. He's got Explorers, Vans, F150's and Tauruses. I'm curious now to what is more efficient on tires.

Who are you on the wimpy side Shep?
Dub
1:02:15 AM
4/30/04

i cant even say that comment came outta left field...i have no clue where it came from

what you talking about smiley...BTW...YOU wanna go camping this weekend??? lol
shep0987
1:03:03 AM
4/30/04

I think I'm gonna head to bed. I gotta get up early to deliver my report to my professor and then work at noon.

Dub, hope to see you tomorrow! Gimme a call when you find out what's going on.

Nite el shepo.

GO HOME, smiley girl! LOL
ScorchFire
1:04:03 AM
4/30/04

fleet vehicles can be a little different driving ocnditions also...im telling you what i already said...im saying it again...


YEAH smiley where do you work??
shep0987
1:04:32 AM
4/30/04

later scorch
shep0987
1:05:06 AM
4/30/04

civil engineering consultant - we have 8 grant applications due tomorrow. our workload has been so overwhelming the last month or two that we just couldn't get to these until the last minute. gotta get them done. i think i'll only be here another hour, then back by 8AM tomorrow.
smiley girl
1:06:58 AM
4/30/04

Scorch, I'll call your cell as soon as I find out.

Shep, tell me! Who are you on the other side!
Dub
1:07:30 AM
4/30/04

damn it is 2am i thought maybe she was ahead of me for some reason...i should get some sleep to get up at 6 to go to work then drive 4 hours when i get off...hmm well wish me happy 4-wheeling...talk to yall laterz
shep0987
1:07:32 AM
4/30/04

lol i hardly ever post there....but if you look hard enough youll find a guy named shep098 over there...that would be me...i dont need to play games and trickery like you do MR. PissemalloffDUB...lol, i dont even remember when the last time i posted over therewas...i thikn it was about almost a year ago for a nhiking partner near atlanta...i was totally turned off from that board because of the response i recieved from this old guy who was "offended" by me asking if any people from atlanta and under about 30 years of age were looking for a partner...i mean is that so wrong just to ask and wonder?? i dont think so..
shep0987
1:11:13 AM
4/30/04

ok really going to sleep now...later people...
shep0987
1:11:45 AM
4/30/04

...i dont need to play games and trickery like you do MR. PissemalloffDUB

LMAO! So true, so true.

i recieved from this old guy who was "offended" by me asking if any people from atlanta and under about 30 years of age were looking for a partner

You left after offending only one person? Damn dude! I think I have ALL of them pissed off at me.
Dub
1:14:10 AM
4/30/04

i'm still here dub, but only for another 1/2 hour, and i've got work to do!
smiley girl
1:17:05 AM
4/30/04

I'm hungry...downloading info for Hawk Mountain just in case I go.
Dub
1:24:16 AM
4/30/04

I also have an article to read for class tomorrow.
Dub
1:24:34 AM
4/30/04

What about you?
Dub
1:28:18 AM
4/30/04

Night Slackas!
Dub
1:43:54 AM
4/30/04

Sucks...I can't sleep. Hopefully if Smitty will let me carpool he wont' be apposed to me taking a nap on the way to our destination 7 hours away.
Dub
5:12:25 AM
4/30/04

mornin'
lumberzac
7:12:58 AM
4/30/04

Dub, the email I sent to smitty was sent back to me... said it couldn't be sent... sorry, I tried! Hopefully yours went through.
ScorchFire
8:02:24 AM
4/30/04

Nope, both of my bounced back...I even sent it to both of his addresses he posted on bp.com. Maybe he really is a troll?
Dub
11:01:26 AM
4/30/04

hmmm, GEEZ slow down the posts over here youre flooding the board...i guess im the only loser at home on friday night...well im not really at home i dont suppose...actually at my parents...not much else to do here...4-wheelin tomorrow though...FUN FUN FUN!!!
shep0987
9:50:58 PM
4/30/04

i wanna go yakkin
stratdewd
10:10:35 PM
4/30/04

i guess im the only loser at home on friday night

Yep, I just got home.
Dub
12:01:40 AM
5/01/04

hey, I've been home all evening.

Spent a fun hour or so cleaning adware off my computer...
bitpusher
12:04:57 AM
5/01/04

I need to go to bed, gotta drive to WV and put my plan into action.
Dub
1:00:21 AM
5/01/04

My Post on BP.com
They asked me how I really felt about that place, so I told them.


How I really feel? I feel that backpacker.com is an inferior backpacking community overrun with trolls and more concerned with warm-fuzzy posts encouraging only online community instead of actual backpacking--thus the acceptance of the trolls. On the dark side we know who the trolls are because we know each other--there is about 1-2 degrees of seperation between all the backpackers there--so the trolls are easy to spot and ignore. As a group we get out more, get together more, have more miles on our boots, and have more fun. We help each other in real life (not just online), we let others borrow or use our gear and homes, we give away our old gear to each other for free. All positive things that this place has no chance of matching, ever.

Here I know of at least four trolls perpetrated by people on the dark side. These trolls are accepted and liked by most of the community members here. They are part of a continual joke from the other side about how useless this place is.

I feel somewhat connected or attached to this place as it was the first backpacking forum I used. I would like to see it changed for the better. I give props to the PNW and MI groups as they are achieving community that most here will never experience unless they come to the other side. I have met in person 17 people who like me started here, couldn't find anyone to backpack with, got sick of the trolls and fuzziness, moved to TT to and discovered a real backpacking community which isn't limited to being online only. You should check out the backpacker.com sucks threads to read of many more people who switched sites, started backpacking more and having more fun.

So then why do I still post here? Because I hate it so much. I hate the annoying trolls. I hate it that there is little offline community. I hate it that I encountered Oskar here. I hate all the warm fuzzy posts. I hate it that you can't find any good information because people are too lazy (or dumb) to search. I hate it because it just downright sucks.

So that's how I really feel and I could care less what anyone thinks of it. I'm still going to post here and I'm going to be honest. And if some people think that I'm mean or not compassionate--well, it could be worse, I could be like bacpac (who isn't liked much on the other side but you want to know something? He backpacks and remember that community thing I was talking about where people give their gear away for free--yeah, he's sent a few people some old gear, even mean ol bacpac--surprising?). So there it is, the honest truth straight from the heart not meant to be mean.

So all you lurkers go ahead and start making your snide remarks (which were conveniently withheld until now). Go ahead and post the same thing you always post when someone says something bad about this place. I'm listening but I'm not buying your rhetorical warm-fuzzy-happy BS. Get out and hike as much as you can. If that's only once every two years then cool--as long as you have a heart for the outdoors and aren't a fake.
Dub
1:01:01 AM
5/01/04

Dang, 11 posts! This thread is dying fast. When we go to Sods it might fall off the page!
Dub
1:33:04 AM
5/01/04

Dang, dude --- LOL

Did you mean to say 11 posts, or 11 pages of posts?
Tilt
1:40:07 AM
5/01/04

11 posts....I can't remember the last time I saw it down this low. I bet Buddur will be jumping for joy this weekend as most of the nightcrawlers are out backpacking.
Dub
1:48:27 AM
5/01/04

Bed. Later y'all.
Dub
2:00:22 AM
5/01/04

I'll bring y'all back up just to say I had a nice evening with Roam and Smitty, Scorch and Mapleleaf...and saw Y2 this morning, and met Nashville hiker this am too. Dub, good luck keeping it going for another 24 hours or so. :)
Fritz
1:10:38 PM
5/01/04

Hey Fritz, how u doin? I am better now thanks to my surgery. I can actually breathe now. I am going dayhiking in Fiery Gizzard next weekend, so I will see how well I am. Little Bit and I just did some flycasting. She had surgery the same day I did and is slowly getting better also. Hope to hike again with you soon!
karo
4:18:46 PM
5/01/04

good morning
simer190
4:35:45 PM
5/01/04

hey
helinka
4:40:04 PM
5/01/04

10200! sorry, lol... i think i'm gonna go watch a movie
simer190
4:44:48 PM
5/01/04

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