Dept. Of Homeland Security Is A Joke

“Frankly, Buck, you lost me there. I didn't take part in any gay or anti gay discussion. I must have missed that thread...”

“: "So you're saying that a New York city and Wyoming as a whole are equally likely to be hit by terrorist acts, or are you purposely trying to miss that point?" - Phaedrus

I missed this one, sorry! Uhh, no, that's not what I'm saying. If I thought NY and WY were equally likely to be hit by terrorists, then the EXACT SAME TOTAL AMOUNT OF $$ would be spent on each state. Since this isn't the case, NY is receiving many many many many meeeeeellions of dollars more than WY.”

“There would be more transfer of the disease in a populous area, one would think.

I think the only REAL justification for spending more per capita on less populous areas would be something like: We've completely foiled any chance they might have had for a bigger kill in a big city, and their only recourse is to go after smaller places.”

“If your theory of money division were to become a reality, Buck, we would be proverbially f__ked here because there wouldn't be dlck to work with to help this place. You might as well put a giant bullseye in the center of Manhattan Island...”

“Wyoming has more gas wells than trees.
Gas wells?
Lesseeeee... gas wells in VERY remote locations.
Can you say "eeezeee infrastructure targets"?

Please don't be blinded by your bias.

NYC can use the money I shelled out on food and drink and parking. At those prices, It seems I shoulda at least gotten a napkin...”

“: "Frankly, Buck, you lost me there. I didn't take part in any gay or anti gay discussion. I must have missed that thread..."
Treebeard
03:23:56 PM
11/21/03


Sorry, Treebeard, I guess since so many people around here say things like, "we've already discussed that before", and "go find that thread", that we're all supposed to know everything around here! :^D

Also, I'm a light-hearted kind of guy, I'm smiling as I'm typing, I don't take these discussions seriously. I doubt you do either, but I just wanted to make that clear! :^D”

“Really treebeard, you have ignored the fact that Al Qaeda would have bombed Joe Bob's Cafe and Dance Hall in East Bejesus, WV, if they could have found it. I mean for cryin out loud, it is the only cafe and dance hall in East Bejesus, WV. They don't have another.

Don't Joe Bob's patrons deserve the same protection from their Department of Homeland Security that the patrons of some Yuppy Bar in Soho get?

Oh yes, West Virginia did go for Bush. Did New York?”

“SCREW YOU BUCK! THIS STUFF IS DEADLY SERIOUS TO ALL OF US LIBERALS WHO WANT TO RUIN YOUR COUNTRY, STEAL YOUR WOMEN AND WIPE OUR ASSES WITH THE BIBLE!!!!!

















Heheheh. Just kidding.”

“BTW -
I got stuck behind a school bus in WY - waaaay after dark. I wasn't able to pass it for a while. I assumed it was enroute to a far away extracurricular activity, ie, football game.

To my surprise, the flashers began to... er... flash. First yellow, then red. The bus stopped, and a kid got off. We were 40-50 miles from the nearest school.

WY is vast. It has a population of less a half mil, to be sure, but it's vast.

Ripe with minerals and fossil fuels, too. It would be a relatively easy target for terrorism... but we can't let that happen, now can we?”

“: "If your theory of money division were to become a reality, Buck, we would be proverbially f__ked here because there wouldn't be dlck to work with to help this place. You might as well put a giant bullseye in the center of Manhattan Island..." - Treebeard

I'm completely lost here! Are you suggesting we aren't spending ANY money to protect NY, and we're leaving it wide open, while we're spending every available dollar to protect Chugwater, WY? ??? ??? We're talking about how much $$ it takes to protect a highly populated area vs. a lightly populated area. We are spending MUCH more money on the highly protected areas, but because one dollar can protect more people in a high density area, it costs less per capita to do so! I can't believe this is such a tough concept! Limpy, if you're out there, I'm sorry for being so repetitive here, but I'm totally lost! If you had to hire security guards to protect a lot containing 10,000 cars, or a lot containing 100 cars, obviously since all the 10,000 cars are bunched together it takes proportionally fewer guards (per capita) to protect those cars, even though there are still many many many more guards protecting the 10,000 car lot than the 100 car lot. Am I completely whacked in this reasoning?”

“???

Anything they could use on a mine would have a lot more impact if used on a high-rise.”

“"There would be more transfer of the disease in a populous area, one would think.
Phaedrus
03:27:07 PM
11/21/03

Certainly, but we're all expecting another attack on NYC as well. And that might be the case, but if I was the terrorist mastermind I would be also looking at how I could hit them where they are least expecting it. Its an obvious strategy, and it doesnt have to be infrastructure and bang bang boom. Some kind of silent killer for the small town, bang bang for the big city. Makes sense to me. Seeing some small town get hit hard would freak this country out.”

“That was for gojo, sorry.”

“I'm trying to figure out which would do more damage: a terrorist or a coal company engaged in mountaintop removal-valley fill. Hmmmmmmmmm.”

“Maybe the coal companies are operated by Al Qaeda.”

“LOL”

“I got to stay away from these I hate Bush threads (there are lots of them too). A couple of more thing before I go. If disagreeing with Bush doesn’t equal hate as was said by what’s his name then why does disagreeing with gays equal hate as many of you have stated elsewhere. On the subject of this thread (and no I didn’t read all of every post), since when is the success of a program measure by how many dollars were spent? That is ridicules. The question is what you get for your dollars. That’s like saying the why to get the best sleeping bag is to buy the most expensive one you can find (sorry about sounding like something about backpacking there). Comparing dollars spent is easy but does not tell the whole story. There may or may not be a problem but the amount spent will not tell you that. Oh, I got a great bag I can sell to you. It’s the best, you know it is because it is $1200.”

“Equally attrative targets:

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“If disagreeing with Bush doesn’t equal hate as was said by what’s his name then why does disagreeing with gays equal hate as many of you have stated elsewhere.

No one is advocating Bush not be allowed to marry. Gay marriage and civil liberties - that was the issue on the other thread.

If I advocated Bush be taken from office and denied his rights, solely on the basis of his sexual leanings, you might have a point.”

“I would venture to say that NYC pays out much more $$$ than WY when it comes to transporting students.

But I'd bet a week's pay (if I had a job - heh!) that WY pays out MUCH more for each student that relies on such services.

Make sense?


It's the old sales saying:
"Volume, volume, volume!"”

“I can see the liberals response now if a town in Wyoming gets creamed by terrorists....

WHAT THE... DIDN'T BUSH REALIZE THAT TERRORISTS WOULD STRIKE WHERE WE LEAST EXPECTED IT, WHERE WE WERE MOST VULNERABLE? I HOLD BUSH PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 8,000 INNOCENT LIVES THAT WERE LOST IN THIS PREVENTALBE ATTACK!

Honestly, that would be a typical response. Any terrorist attack is a lose-lose for Bush for those who oppose him.”

“Violin, you dork!”

“"For god's sake, this isn't even ABOUT conservative VS liberal values. It's about whether the money is being spent in the right places!"
Phaedrus
02:58:40 PM
11/21/03

And about PP sizes. mtn gal gots a big'n.”

“If Wyoming gets creamed by terrorists, Buck, you get to say I told you so. I wouldn't necessarily go about oiling up the ol tonsils just yet, but if that happens, then by all means, you-da man!”

“More empty propaganda from Buck. Thanks, buck! We needed you to clarify that opinion. You hadn't made it abundantly clear already!”

“so who loves NY?


anyone, hello?

LOL you all are crazy!”

“: If I advocated Bush be taken from office and denied his rights, solely on the basis of his sexual leanings, you might have a point." - Phaedrus

Okay, you brought it up!

What rights? Rights according to you, or the law? Everyone fights for their "rights", but drawing the line legally means different things for different people. Do you think President Clinton and the overwhelming number of Congressmen and women are denying rights? Do unborn babies have rights? Do polygamists have marriage rights? Do incestual lovers have marriage rights? I guess we define and "accept" rights according to Phaedrus? Limpy, again, sorry for being repetitive, but I'm responding to very repetitive statements. And Phaedrus, don't go blaming ME for taking this tangent, which I know you'll try and do, I was responding to YOUR gay marriage points.”

“I responded to MTN gal's on topic post, and have answered each of your questions on another thread.”

“: "More empty propaganda from Buck." - Phaedrus

Again, there you go again with your typical "liberal" thinking. If someone takes a different viewpoint than you, it's empty propaganda! Ha ha! It's okay. For someone who's supposed to use logic and reasoning in discussions, try using THAT phrase as a rebuttal! :^D "Sir, I differ with your points... why? Because, well, ummm, ahem, let's see, you asked why?... I... uhhh... well, you know... I completely disagree with the point because... (tappin' foot)... because... let's see... lemme thing for a sec, k?... it's obvious that... ahem... okay, I think I got it... well... uhhh... darn, I forget.... ummmm... it'll come back to me, really... let's see.... oh, I got it, because it's... empty propaganda?... ya that's it!... how'd I do?"”

“Yes I do K boy and it is attached to my husband. He is more of a man than you could ever dream of being. But then so is the seven year old boy next door.”

“You SAW kleetn's PP?!?!?”

“: ""I responded to MTN gal's on topic post, and have answered each of your questions on another thread." - Phaedrus

You "answered" on another thread? Oh, do you mean those silly empty propaganda responses? You call those answers? Ha! :Þ”

“Tom Ridge.

He'd make a great poster boy for for those preaching equality, entitlement, etc.

Raised by a janitor.
Made his own way.
Worked his way through school.
Became a governor.
Appointed head of Homeland Security.

He's a good man by all accounts. You who be dissin' him are exposing your wholesale hatred for anything Bush. You're children. Munch me.”

“kleetn has an innie”

“He may be a good man, gojo, but if you ask anyone on the so cal border "how's homeland security?" you will get laughed at. Ridge is failing in my town.”

“And I'M supposed to be on the side of hate?!

Please!”

“He's not failing "democrats", he's not failing "republicans". He is failing Americans. I am totally unimpressed with this so-called homeland security we have.”

“Libs ARE an angry bunch. You may be mature enough to segragate hate from politics, but many if not most Libs are young and havent developed that maturity. Consequently most Libs really do come accross as haters. BUT, I didnt think that this thread was supposed to be paritsan, yet somehow lib/conserv bickering persists.”

“mtn gal and Michael Jackson have something in common?”

“Ridge not righting a decades-old wrong is a failure?

What, pray tell, is he to do?

Besides, he was appointed post-9/11 - that was a relative few months ago... What can he do in that short time? Is the ball completely in his court only? Doesn't congress have a say in this?

And while we're at it...
what are YOU doing about it? Oh yeah... relying on the gubment. It's always about the gubment...





I'm fed up with y'alls rhetoric.
Here, the greatest nation in the history of humanity is blindsided by the most unthinkable of terroristic acts, and INSTANTLY EVERY GODDDAMMED THING is the fault of George W. Bush.

History has dealt him a hand like that of no president before him.

Americana as we knew it was instantly a thing of the past.

EV-RY-THING changed on September 11, 2001.

We are pliding uncharted waters. It's foggy. It's stormy. Our captain is only a human being just like us.

WHAT THE FLYING FUKK WOULD YOU LOUD MOUTHED BEEYATCHES DO, GODDDAMMIT?!

You MOTHERFUKKKKERS make me sick with your constant bashing.

It doesn't matter one iota - not one.
If Bush says "black", you'll say "white". I'm right about that. Deny like the wind, if you will - but you know I'm right.

Whiney a$$ punks.”

“Gojo? You frustrated man?

I hear ya, Ridge and Bush have one of the toughest jobs on the planet and I'm glad it's not me.

As far as WY vs. NY go - I bet the people in WY feel that they deserve an allocation of the US protection funds just as much as anyone else does. I also bet that most people in NY feel like the good folks out in WY deserve some too.

My point is that ALL AMERICANS in ALL CITIES should get something. Obviously some cities are more at risk than others and should be treated accordingly, but just because a place is remote or sparsely populated doesn't mean that the first responders in that area should be left without chemical suits or bio response training.”

“I think Treebeard made it clear that he would spend a lot more money protecting obvious targets. I guess you missed it.”

“: ""I think Treebeard made it clear that he would spend a lot more money protecting obvious targets. I guess you missed it." - VioLiN

VioLiN (I like typing that, if you haven't noticed, but don't worry, I'm not goin' gay on you! :^D), you say Treebeard made it clear that he would spend a lot more money protecting obvious targets. AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS MORE MONEY IS being spent on obvious targets. I guess you missed it.

If I'm not mistaken, we're talking "per capita" (not per capital", ha!) money spent. NY is getting tens of meeeeellions more than WY, and WY is not getting that much, but WY being a HUGE geographic state with less on half a million people (and NY having more than 19 million people), the per capita thing has got him all wadded up in a mess. Rest assured, NY is getting more money to protect obvious targets! How YOU doin'?”

“Look gojo, Im about as conservative as they come, but Im not blind. The biggest security issue in our corner of the country is the porous border and the fact that NOTHING GETS DONE ABOUT IT!!! THIS ISNT A NEW FRIGGIN PROBLEM!! So dont act like "what's poor Tom Ridge supposed to do". It has been about 2 years since DHLS has been formed and nothing has been done here. COME WATCH THE CONSTANT WAVES OF ANNONYMUS BORDER JUMPERS AND THEN TELL ME THAT I'M A PIECE OF SH*T FOR BEING PISSED ABOUT THE OBVIOUS LACK OF SECURITY IN MY TOWN. And they aint all stayin here either. Do you hear what the hell I'm telling ya?? Massive numbers of anonymus people infiltrate this country EVERY DAY and disappear...somewhere. Yeah, I stand by what Im saying. Maybe Tom Ridge himself cant come here, but he could sure as hell assign some kins of priority to this obvious threat. DUH”

“I am just glad we have not had another terrorist attack since 9/11/01.”

“Anyway, has anyone ever figured out what that "meat-like" substance is in those Jack-In-The-Box tacos? After eating thousands of them at 2 for 99 cents, I still haven't identified the substance. But they shore are good.”

“I love those tacos. I just hope it really is meat. I would hate to find out that this whole time I only THOUGHT I was eating a dead animal.

After all, if we're not supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?”

“Jack in the Box has Tacos? I've missed out.”

“the border situation is out of controll

repubs wont do anything about because libs will accuse them of being racists

dems won't do anything about it either because they promise illegles all the entitlement programs they want in exchange for their votes


homeland security is the governments NUMBER ONE priority. nothing else matters without it


liberals hate GW bush because he is an effective leader


just because you can quote a biasde report doesn't make you smart”

“the border situation is out of controll

repubs wont do anything about because libs will accuse them of being racists

dems won't do anything about it either because they promise illegles all the entitlement programs they want in exchange for their votes


homeland security is the governments NUMBER ONE priority. nothing else matters without it


liberals hate GW bush because he is an effective leader


just because you can quote a biased report doesn't make you smart”