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“I guess 2scoops is a vegetarian."
you came to this conclusion, how?
no, im not a vegetarian. im all for hunting FOR FOOD.”
“someone said new jersey is the most densely populated state? well, then, that means there are too many people. millions of people compared to hundreds of bears. i think the thinning out needs to be in the other direction.”
“bruce springsteen and ice tea. outside of those two, name one person from new jersey that anyone likes. f*ck it. carpet-bomb the whole state”
“Best of luck to the hunters on the bear hunt.
Thin the herd Boys!”
“Where can I get a permit to hunt 2scoops?”
“You don't need a permit for that. Matter of fact, I think he's got a bounty on him.
“Bear's are food.”
“ NJ State Bear Education site
More reading about the proposed season. The season is for 6 days in early Winter, apparently the success rate in Pennsylvania and New York (both have had bear seasons for years) is about 3% for licences issued. In NJ all bears killed must be reported at a checking station the same day (no different than for deer) and the DEP has announced that they will close the season early depending on the number of bears taken.
The timing of the 6 days is apparently after pregnant females go to den for the Winter.
The site also has copies of pamplets on how to behave in bear territory, where to get bear proof garbage containers etc.”
“if youre REALLY going to eat the bear, then i dont have a problem with it. but come on, i dont believe for an instant thats why any bear hunter hunts. ppl want to stuff and mount the head and have a bearskin rug, and for the thrill. show me a believable poll where bear hunters eat their kill just as much as deer hunters do, and ill change my mind. maybe ive got hunters all wrong, but i dont think the ones hunting bear are doing it for food.”
“won't people get cold hunting bare in the winter.”
“I wonder how many of those New Jersey bear hunters would hunt bear if the law said it had to be done without bait, dogs and firearms?”
“without firearms? lol, so with a bow and arrow? oh yea, THATLL work. maybe a slingshot and a pointy rock”
“Bow and arrow would work. It'd just be the really brave that would hunt. No treestands either. Hunt from the ground and take your chances. They could televise it. Reality TV.
“mmmm... bear stew.”
“Never had bear. Buffalo is pretty good though.
Good idea ULTRA! They could combine it with that hunting Bambi thing.”
neither bait nor dogs are legal for hunting bear in NJ.
Major reason for treestand hunting is that your shot goes into the ground after passing through the animal. NJ encourages hunting from a tree as the state is so heavily populated that any shot that misses is likely to hit a house. Most hunting accidents are caused by other hunters in the same area.
Black bear climb trees much better and faster than humans.
Agree that they should allow bow hunting, but only shotgun with slugs or black powder rifle are permitted. Again the permitted firearms are a function of how far the bullet can go in a crowded State.”
“Treestand hunting is encouraged, and bears can run up trees very fast. He he he!”
“Gotta add a thrill somehow, treebait...”
“What do you think hunters do with all the meat? In my state it is illegal not to consume the carcass of a game animal.”
“Hey, it's already nice and tender...”
“You could hang the meat on your walls?”
“so about 300 bears will probably be taken? will that fix the problem? or is it just a start? or is that too much?”
“To me, that does not sound like much. Another question: I am not a hunter so I do not know this. Will these hunters be going after any bear? Old bears? Young bears? What, if any, is the deciding factor between pulling the trigger and killing a bear? Does this make sense?”
“It has to look EVIL. You know, like George W. Bush. 8)”
“Only Republican bears can be taken.
The Democratic Bears are too full of crap to be edible.”
“But they'd make really good fertilizer.”
“I don't think the size of the bear taken matters. I'm not a hunter, but when I saw some programs on TV about the bear hunting season taken at the check stations, there were some smaller bears killed. On the other hand, a 620 pound male was shot at the foothills of the Poconos last year and a good number of others in the upper 500 pound range. The game commission says the black bears in PA. are healthy and doing well and the yearly harvest works to keep the population stable.”
“I read some place that the NJ environment(food) is so healthy that the females bears are reproducing at a earlier age like closer to every 3 yrs as opposed to every 6 yrs for western bears and that most NJ bears are living in to their teens when on average they normally last only ten yrs.”
“The hunt is supposed to begin today through Dec. 13 and I saw on the news last night that animal rights groups are prepared to disrupt it. They are going into the woods with rock musicians to play music and scare bears away. I didn't see the entire story, but it will probably be on the national news tonight of what took place on the opening day.”
“Never anger a person carrying a loaded gun.”
“Disrupting a hunter is illegal in PA. You can protest, but not go out in the woods and disturb hunters without being arrested by a game commission officer.”
“Interesting. I'm interested in hearing what happens.”
“The animal rights folks called off their planned protest of the deer hunt in Tyler State Park this year. They said they were too emotionally drained from protesting the war to protest the hunt.”
“I have to commend some of the anti-hunt groups for trying to educate residents in bear country but itís obviously past time for a hunt. Kids canít safely play in their backyards in many communities and domestic animals have been attacked.
By Ďdisruptingí the hunt, from what I understand, they plan to picket at access points and guard dens and other off-limit areas. They would be subject to arrest for interfering with legal hunting. Itís too bad the Water Gap is off limits. I think they ought to allowed to bait with bags of food hung in trees.”
“Wouldn't hurt in the ADK either!”
“The snow on Friday/Saturday has caused all the bears to go to den.
Unless there is a very warm day on Mon or Tuesday they will stay in hibernation until spring.
Disrupting a legal hunter is also against the law in NJ. However in any public access area there is no law against them playing music. But they must have permission to be on the property.
They could buy a hunting or fishing licence which gives permission to be on public game lands, and then make noise.
Violin, I have advocated a lottery for bear bags for some time, fill some mylar bags with skunk scent and hang from trees in BP'ing sites so there is an element of risk for the bears in grabbing food bags. A skunk drenching should discourage the bear for some time.”
“What about those huge bears taken in PA last week? Three were over 800 lbs. and one was 864 lbs.!”
“elfskin2 I'm assuming that you are referring to the Marcy Dam Lake Coldan areas. There is a bear hunting season that runs most of the fall. The problem with hunting this area is that the area is used heavily making hunting unsafe. Also this area is a bit too far from the road to hunt. The distances are easy from the standpoint of hiking but not when you are dragging a 300 lb+ bear.”
“Lumberzac,your right. Just some
wishful thinking I guess!”
“Now if they closed the area to hiking for a week and allowed hunters drive up the fire truck road, maybe something could be done.”
“Dr. Gary Alt, a PA. Game Commission biologist and expert on bears says that PA. has some of the biggest black bears in North America. They tracked that 864 pound bear for years with a radio and it was killed last week by a hunter. It was 12 years old. They had some film of it last night from a few years ago when it was tranquilized. They showed how good of shape it was in with a beautiful coat, healthy teeth and huge paws. It was a magnificent animal. Dr. Alt says he only knew of one other bear that was bigger living in Manitoba. They are also tracking another large male 22 years old that made it through the hunting season, but is all scarred up from fights and not in as good of shape as the other. Three 800+ pound bears were killed in the Poconos according to Dr. Alt, who appeared of Pennsylvania Outdoor Life last night. 3100 bears were shot this year out of 15,000 statewide.”
“What do you do if an 800 pound bear wants your food?”
“Bears do not den all winter. They will come out on warmish days.
But today, with the snow and cold, the chance is less likely that they would come out. The folks who do hunt in this weather are definitely hard core hunters.
864 pounds is one large hunk of bear. I'd be inclined to cut the rope and let it have my food lest he decide to come after me instead.”
“What ever the bear wants you to do.”
“Let him have it. After seeing that bear on TV last night, I wouldn't argue with him over a bag of food.”
“If youíre near a hill, give it a bear hug, kick its legs out, and roll down the hill with it.
Let me know how it works out”
“A couple years ago I saw the biggest black bear I have ever seen walking down the street in front of my house. This thing was absolutely huge. Iíve seen a lot of black bear, but none of the others have come close to this monster. It had a radio collar it.”
“I got one, 375lbs.”
“The first 3 shots weren't kills, so if must have been in pain for a long time. I'd guess taht from all the howleing.”
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