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“Sarge, I never meant to infer or suggest I am a Christian. I am not now, and don't want to be.
Read again. I didn't mean YOU are a Christian. I meant "you" as in "you can be a boy or you can be a girl". Get it? Read it again.”
“I read it again, and I still don't get it, but don't want to discuss further.
Good luck, and I sincerely am glad for you that you believe in something so fully.”
Nimblefoot, you better run boy!!”
“Why MarkO? It's all just an illusion, right? Why do you care about what other people do? It's all relative, right? We're just random molecules from nothingness.”
“"It's all relative, right? We're just random molecules from nothingness."
Is that what you are?
Its no dang wonder people can't reason with you, you're a freakin' entity!”
“ok, that was a pretty weak comeback. you have a couple minutes to rewrite that if you want to”
“MarkO, I'll be back later. I'm glad you've got to hear the Gospel today several times over buddy. Gotta work on my lesson for bible study on Tuesday. Wanna come?”
“No thanks, pal.
I've got work on my rockabilly lessons in preparation for a Wednesday night session with some guys.”
“Nimblefoot - well put - that's exactly how I find many 'Christians'
I have a lot of time for people of faith. There was a friend of my family's growing up who was fairly senior in the anglican church, who was a genuine and caring man of enormous faith - and I have nothing but respect for him, and those like him.
It's the spiteful judgmental 'christians' that I have problems with.”
“It's the spiteful judgmental 'christians' that I have problems with.
Wow y2, I think you've just written the most hypocritical sentence in the history of the English language. Congratulations!”
“Moonglo has a fairly narrow view of what determines "sin."
Many Christians believe that God gave us reason (science, philosophy, theology, etc.) to help us determine what is right. Therefore, a well-educated, prayerful mind, with help from the Bible and the traditions of a community can come to valid interpretations about sin.
But, as Moonglo illustrates, that is just one of many opinions.”
“I remember one time in Virginia close to 20 years ago and I was scouring the churches looking for one that fit. I don't recall which denomination it was, but during the sermon the preacher said something that was so completely against women that I almost fell out of my pew. Later, downstairs in the basement, I attended Bible study. It was a mixed race group led by an older white man. This man, in his lesson, stated how there is proof in the Bible that "Nigras" actually did descend from apes. No one protested, just quietly sitting drinking their kool-aid and nodding their heads. I continued my quest in other places.”
“RL, what you say makes sense to me. It would have something to do with bringing harm to myself or to others.”
“reformed lurker - You said nothing to support your statement that I have a narrow view of sin. What is your point exactly? If you're going to accuse me of something, at least tell me what you're referring to.”
“Nimblefoot - There are a lot of ignorant sinful people in the world. That doesn't invalidate Christianity, and I would hope that you're mature enough to not stereotype Christians. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be stereotyped either, judging from your post.”
“You're right, MG, I've met some good Christians, some good jews, muslims and atheists as well. I just have a problem with the judgmental ones, but it is my problem (and of course it means I'm judging them, though I'm not sending them to hell or some other place I don't believe in).”
“LOL. That's great Nimblefoot. I don't know of any Christians that send people to hell either.”
“What I've learned about religion here.
So we find that it is ok to bash those within organized religion but not for them to bash those who don't go to church. We find that religious people are hypocrites but people who are not aren't. We find that it's bad for religious people to judge the non religious but it's ok to judge religious people. We find it's bad for religious people to lump all non religious people together but it's ok to lump all religious people together. Religious people and churches have killed many many people while non religious people and churches seem to get a pass.
“"Blah blah blah" - Nigal
“or as wanderer would say ... sanctimonious dribble.”
“Sorry mutt but that's the creepy Oompa Loompa vibe I'm getting' from you haters.”
We are not perfect, just forgiven....
“Nigal is right , there is a definate double standard here.
God is infallible, humans are not. One of the things I have observed is that those with deep guilt issuses do tend to involve themselves in religeon to the extreme. I guess they figure it is easier to hope God will help them then to be responsible and help themselves. It is a shame that all too often churches tend to preach feel good nonsense with no real basis in scripture rather then any truth that might drive people away.”
“Lumberjack - http://www.gotquestions.org/God-help-themselves.html”
“UM..everyone knows that just becuase you are Conservative doesn't necessarily mean you are a Christian...? Right?
I mean I know Jewish Conservatives, Hindu Conservatives...and even a couple of Athiest Conservatives.....”
“True XL, this probaly should be on the Christian bashing thread instead.....”
“We need a "bash everything all the time" thread.”
“I'm athiest, and a real conservative -not a Retroublican conservative.”
“Ok... I'll mix it up for a bit. But only for a bit.
As an ordained, Christian minister of the evangelical bent I hear loud and clear the sarcasm and contempt that Haggard's failure has stirred up. And I acknowledge it's legitimacy and relevance. I grieve deeply that those of you who do not see the faith as anything but a laughing stock now have greater ammunition with which to fill your files. It is indeed a sad commentary on the state of the church and our own witness.
Yet at the same time, scripture acknowledges that the Gospel is offensive to those who hear but reject it. So while I acknowledge the offense which you perceive and the rejection you acknowledge, I find myself wondering what is at work in your own lives that causes such a reaction. Clearly the joy at seeing failure overwhelms the sorrow of suffering. I find that sad.”
“"It is indeed a sad commentary on the state of the church and our own witness."
Ah rev, you have fallen into their trap. It is a sad commentary on the state and witness of Haggart, not the church. Everyone stands before G-d as a testimony to themselves, not their church.”
“Ah Nigal, you have fallen into their trap as well.
It is a sad commentary on humanity. We are all sinners. Haggard is no more of a sinner than you or I. Haggard is in the same state as any of us, he is a sinner.
Nobody should wish to stand before God as a testimony of themselves - It is through Christ that God will perceive us, if we choose Him as our Savior. Otherwise, yeah, you're right, you're pretty much on your own there ... good luck with that.”
you're going to hell Nig.”
it's not too late to repent”
please join my club and validate me.”
“That's a joke btw.”
“The Guttmacher Institute this week released a study that says that 95 percent of Americans have sex before marrying. The authors conclude that since premarital sex is the norm among the moral majority, conservative values encouraging abstinence until marriage is hypocrisy.”
“Having a real hard time figuring out this Fuego thing, aren't you USA?
Tell all the truth, USA. Hypocrisy????
“It would be more forthright for the Guttmacher Institute and you to mention in its report that it is the research arm for Planned Parenthood, so this research is hardly unbiased.
Of course, expecting real research from the moral Baby Killers isn't going to happen.”
“So what is your conservative stand on premarital sex, and did you have premarital sex?
last edited: 12/23/06 12:59:37 AM”
“forthright? did stovie get a dicktionary for christmas?
“well, all that would depend on your definition of "sex" and "premarital" wouldn't it? i mean i didn't have premarital sex with my girlfriends... they had premarital sex with me. you know the story.”
“LOL @ USA.
Hand his head on a platter for his dishonest post and now he wants to know about my personal sex life???
“I was a virgin when I met my 2nd wife.”
“usa, in other words there is no personal sex life for lonely stovie to talk about. unless you count cyberstalking women on TT as a sex life
“Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias submitted his resignation Friday, one day after confirming to ABC News that he had been a customer of a Washington, D.C. escort service whose owner has been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution operation.
Tobias, 65, director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), had previously served as the ambassador for the President's Emergency Fund for AIDS Relief.
A State Department press release late Friday afternoon said only he was leaving for "personal reasons."
On Thursday, Tobias told ABC News he had several times called the "Pamela Martin and Associates" escort service "to have gals come over to the condo to give me a massage." Tobias, who is married, said there had been "no sex," and that recently he had been using another service "with Central Americans" to provide massages.
“Central Americans? LOL”
“So, what's the problem?”
“I thought you liberals held to the "one's sexual life is their own" claim. Ya know, like when Klinton got busted?”
“Nothing is wrong with the act, just the hypocrisy of breaking his own chosen standards.”
“Hypocrisy about sex is apolitical. It's a Christian thing.”
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