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mtn gal
1:36:53 PM
5/02/02

reasons related to NOT sex than . . .
mtn gal
1:40:37 PM
5/02/02

Hey MtnGal!
I think I recognize you now!
hehehee!



BTW -
Belle and I will be in Da "Ho" for most of July. Perhaps we can join-up for a hike or beers or both.
gojo
1:59:39 PM
5/02/02

Lol! Three of us have pretty much the same reaction.. I didn't see trailhounds post when I posted. He's completely right and hey... Mtn gal and I are on the same side on this one!

"thebackpacker what is your point?" - trail hound
"I'm not quite sure what your point is tbp." Pedxing

So? --- Mtn Gal
pedxing
2:04:26 PM
5/02/02

republicans/conservatives are hypocrites
thebackpacker
2:25:22 PM
5/02/02

Oy. All people who stereotype suck - every single one of em.
Phaedrus
2:33:06 PM
5/02/02

TBP, try responding to the arguments, rather than making rash generalizations.
Phaedrus
2:34:56 PM
5/02/02

I see no evidence of Republican hypocricy in your post tbp.

Now if Pat Robertson thinks gambling is sinful, then he is being hypocritical (per Violin's post), because his investment in that horse would get wiped out if people stopped betting on horse on horses. With no bets, race tracks wouldn't make much money and race prizes would shrink termendously. Without prize money, the value and prestige of prize race horses would fall to nothing.
pedxing
2:36:34 PM
5/02/02

Before long gangs of thugs will be racing horses on the street.
humanpackmule
2:41:48 PM
5/02/02

The original post makes me wonder whay it's such a big deal for this to be on television... I am a firm supporter of one's right to turn off the TV at any given time.

It seems that the people who are protesting this are the same people who support big business. The marketing jobs done by companies like Coca Cola and Nike are a lot more harmful to children than Playboy, IMO.

Anyway, they shouldn't be showing plamates. Let's get back to the violent shows and leave the sex where it belongs: in the bible!
Phaedrus
2:46:56 PM
5/02/02

LOL Phaedrus!
pedxing
2:57:31 PM
5/02/02

I don't think Murdoch is a hypocrite. Through the years his goal has always been money at any cost, by appealing to our most base animalistic tendencies. Everything else is window dressing.

He knows what Really sells, and it ain't "Little House on the Prairie".

He supports Republicans to help him out with business, period: the gutting of the FCC, the selling-out involved with the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Social Conservatism isn't what sold him on the party; that's for the consumption of the electorate. He's only interetested in raw power.
Tilt
3:11:01 PM
5/02/02

Robertson is just a fruitcake, LOL
Tilt
3:12:54 PM
5/02/02

Rupert Murdoch, champion of conservativism and the FOX network, including the conservatively biased FOX News channel, is just another hypocrite. He trumpets conservative values, yet for the love of money, he airs programs that conservatives object to. The love of Money is the root of all evil, and don't republicans just LOVE money.
thebackpacker
3:15:49 PM
5/02/02

I'm not gay
But if I were (not that there's anything wrong with that), I'd go for Pat...
what a hottie!


Ooooooo!
Imagine...
me, Pat, Murdoch, and Sarabelle all lathered-up in a hot spring!

Gooooooooood times!
gojo
3:19:38 PM
5/02/02

GOJO!!!!



Hehe

hehehehehehe
heheheheheheheheheheeeeeeeeeeeee!
Phaedrus
3:25:23 PM
5/02/02

ARRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!
The visual!!!
Make it stop!!!!
humanpackmule
3:27:57 PM
5/02/02

I just can't understand politics...
Thanks to the Gov there is a rating system for TV. The V chip is a standard thing, and cable boxes are programmable to lock out undesireable programming.

It is each individual's (or their parents) responsibility to make "wise" viewing choices. Thanks to the above technology I wouldn't have a problem with hardcore porn on TV. We spent tax money on making TV safe for people. Watch what you want, leave the rest alone.

As for hypocrisy, it happens to almost everyone. Yeah there are some hypocrit Reps/Dems... there are some saintly ones too. I am suspect of ANYONE that advertises their "values" too loudly... the people that impress me are the people that live their lives, make their choices and don't pat themselves on the back too much or make sure that everyone knows how great they are. I think Newt Gingrich did that to the whole GOP when he was doing his "Contract ON America", funny how Rupert Murdoch paid Newty millions for a book that was never written (Yes, he gave it back)
donman
3:28:22 PM
5/02/02

Gojo – If you put soap in one of our hot springs we will hunt you down.

Thebackpacker sure lives in a nice simple world. I take it all democrats don’t love money. That is why all those Hollywood liberal multi-millionaires and the Kennedys have given away all their money and live a simple middle class life style.

Love money, some do, some don’t and you live in a fantasy world all your own.
mtn gal
3:34:27 PM
5/02/02

Yup, I'd say if you're sure that everyone should behave the way you behave (a seemingly common political view), you'd better make sure you're practicing what you preach.
Phaedrus
3:36:11 PM
5/02/02

Donman's right in his assessment above. Parents have responsibility for their children and what they watch on TV. It's time for those people with children to take some responsibility, rather than blaming society at large.
Phaedrus
3:40:11 PM
5/02/02

as an ex-Republican (I'm a happy "none of the above" now) I get very tired of hearing about personal responsibility with the same breath that says "Hollywood" is evil and we need to ban programming... last I heard personal didn't mean everyone... just me and mine. If you let your kids watch Southpark and wonder why they are disrespectful and foul-mouthed YOU are the problem
donman
3:52:03 PM
5/02/02

Let's hear it for NONE OF THE ABOVE!!
Tilt
4:02:59 PM
5/02/02

Hear hear!!!
Phaedrus
4:05:58 PM
5/02/02

Word to your mama.
Artex
4:11:41 PM
5/02/02

Leave My Mama Out Of This! (poor misguided Fascist that she is, LOL)
Tilt
4:22:04 PM
5/02/02

I'm a victim! And it's all your fault!
Of course, I blame this on my father.



Or is this off topic?
The-Naviguesser
7:33:54 PM
5/02/02

Only if you're not Bacpac. Most everyone else here is.
Phaedrus
7:56:22 PM
5/02/02

Is Bacpac a victim too?
The-Naviguesser
8:08:33 PM
5/02/02

I yam what I yam, but that's all that I yam.

Yuck, Yuck, Yuck.... eat your spinach kids.
bacpac
8:12:17 PM
5/02/02

pink floyd
A barber in Mayberry with a skin condition
stratdewd
8:37:03 PM
5/02/02

Young Republican's party plan crashes

By Brendan Scott
Times Herald-Record


An aide to Orange County Executive Edward Diana is under fire after he and his friends invited some of the nation's brightest Young Republicans to what was advertised as a booze-soaked sex bash in Boston.

The controversy surrounding Diana's 24-year-old staff assistant, Karl Brabenec, started at the Young Republicans national convention July 11, when his friends distributed fliers "for lots of beer, liquor and sex" at a party dubbed, "Karlpalooza '03."

Since then, copies of the incriminating invites have surfaced in Orange County, prompting cries of disgust from women's groups...

Read on
vIoLiN
9:53:17 AM
8/01/03

Maybe next year they could sign up for Bill Bennet's Las Vegas Gambling Tour!
aero
10:11:23 AM
8/01/03

At least the Young Republicans were having sex with the opposite sex.... a concept mysterious to the left.
ThePackMan
10:12:49 AM
8/01/03

Glad to hear you're taking the moral high ground packy.
aero
10:14:22 AM
8/01/03

Have to admit that was funny pack. Some of us do know how to use what we have though.
Wounded Knee
10:15:59 AM
8/01/03

A booze-soaked sex bash??? In Boston??? That sounds like one of Teddy Kennedy's wingdings (the bastard NEVER invites me)...
Father Goose
10:16:02 AM
8/01/03

Young Republicans are closeted FREAKS. The minute they think no one is looking they break out the crack and hookers, and some of those hookers have extra equipment
Donman
10:16:20 AM
8/01/03

strap-ons?
Wounded Knee
10:17:31 AM
8/01/03

Cal Thomas is right; something should be done about the moral decay of our nation's youth!
aero
10:18:10 AM
8/01/03

Have some experience in that Don? Knee you might as well change your name to BarrySoreKnees!
UpUrs
10:18:34 AM
8/01/03

Have to admit that was funny pack. Some of us do know how to use what we have though."
Wounded Knee
10:15:59 AM
08/01/03


With what? You left that part out.
ThePackMan
10:18:36 AM
8/01/03

GOP attorney suspected as ‘naked photographer’
By Laura A. Bischoff Dayton Daily News

COLUMBUS | A staff attorney for the Ohio House Republican Caucus was arrested late Wednesday and police suspect he is the flasher known around Columbus as the "naked photographer."

Columbus police arrested Steve Linnen in an alley behind a supermarket near where a woman reported being approached by a naked man who snapped her photo and then ran away. It was the 39th incident in which a naked man has ambushed a woman and photographed her shocked expression. Twenty-eight of them have happened in Columbus.
VioLiN
12:21:52 PM
11/21/03

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Fox's plan to air a prime-time special on the selection of a Playboy centerfold next week has drawn the ire of conservative groups urging the network to think twice about showing it.

The two-hour show, "The Girl Next Door: The Search for a Playboy Centerfold," is scheduled for 8 p.m. on May 10.

"It's men victimizing women for the sake of money and ratings," said Jan LaRue, chief counsel of Concerned Women for America. CWA is one of seven groups, including the Christian Coalition and Focus on the Family, that protested the show in a letter to Rupert Murdoch, chairman of Fox's parent News Corp.

A Fox spokesman, Scott Grogin, said on Wednesday, "We respect all of our viewers' rights to their opinions. If this is a show they don't like or feel is appropriate, please don't watch."

The special, during a "sweeps" month where ratings are watched closely to set advertising rates, focuses on a dozen women flown to Los Angeles to pursue their dreams of becoming a centerfold.

Playboy puts the women up in an estate, and follows them "sunbathing by the pool (and) primping for photo shoots." The women are treated to Hollywood shopping sprees and evenings out at restaurants and clubs.

At the end, Playboy founder Hugh Hefner selects one for a centerfold shoot.

On its face, the program appears to be a cross between ABC's popular "The Bachelor" series and its Victoria's Secret fashion show aired last November. The Victoria's Secret special prompted a Federal Communications Commission investigation that ruled it didn't violate broadcast standards for decency.

LaRue said she was concerned the special would encourage men to treat women as sex objects and sends a dangerous message to girls.

"It communicates to 12- and 13-year-old girls that this is what you have to do to be attractive to men," she said. "It dehumanizes, it objectifies and it is a gateway to hard-core pornography."

The special is airing on a Friday, normally one of the least popular nights for television viewing, but a big one for males.

Some of the same groups last month complained to the FCC about Fox's "Boston Public," saying the classroom drama is heavy on sexual topics, particularly for a program airing it what used to be known as television's family hour.

Fox defended "Boston Public" and series creator David E. Kelley, saying "we're proud to have it on our air."

Rupert Murdoch = strong conservative Republican supporter
thebackpacker
12:21:09 PM
5/02/02

Surprised it'll be aired at 8pm. That seems a bit early for that sorta show.
Sassafras
12:28:27 PM
5/02/02

April 29, 2002


Pat Robertson's high horse




Cal Thomas


     Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson, who's spent a considerable number of years on television handicapping the sins of others and prophesying their destruction, owns a racehorse.

     "I don't bet and I don't gamble," Mr. Robertson told New York Times sports reporter Bill Finley. "I just enjoy watching horses running and performing." So far, Mr. Robertson has invested $520,000 in his horse, named "Mr. Pat," after himself. The man who once said the city of Orlando would be attacked by killer tornados because Disney World held a "gay day" also bred one of his mares to a horse whose stud fee is $125,000, the reporter found.

     This reminds me of the warning about sin's slippery slope delivered by professor Harold Hill to the people of River City in the Broadway musical, "The Music Man": "The next thing you know your son is playin' for money in a pinchback suit; and listenin' to some big out-o'-town jasper here him tell about horse race gamblin'; not a wholesome trottin' race, no, but a race where they set down right on the horse. Like to see some stuck-up jockey boy sittin' on Dan Patch? Make your blood boil, well, I should say." Hill was a con man.

     Mr. Robertson is trying to have it both ways, which is a familiar practice among some religious leaders of different denominations. "I wish horse racing was not supported by gambling," he told the New York Times. "They call it the sport of kings. People from King Solomon on have been raising and racing horses. The people I see at the track, they don't seem to love horses. They're looking at the Racing Form and are trying to make money betting. I like to look at them as performers and to study their bloodlines. That's what I find interesting."

     It is shocking, shocking, to learn that most other people go to the track to gamble. Who knew? All that praying turns out to have been for a horse to win, place or show.

     "The whole culture of horse racing involves gambling, and all the money comes from people trying to hit it big gambling," University of Chicago theologian Martin Marty told Mr. Finley.

     Rationalization is not new, in religious or secular life. We want approval for the things we do, even when they don't look good to others. But using Mr. Robertson's rationalization, a visit to a bordello could be justified because he might testify to his appreciation of the piano's player's prowess or his desire to study the "bloodlines" of the well-proportioned staff.

     Speaking of King Solomon, God did have something to say about horses, though in a different context, to that ancient wise man: "The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself, or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them." (Deuteronomy 17:16).

     Some in evangelical Christian circles go to great lengths to avoid even the appearance of sin. The more fundamental among them believe that to be seen in certain places, such as bars or establishments where gambling takes place, hurts their "witness" to nonbelievers. Actually, Jesus hung out with many of the despised and rejected, which scandalized the hypocritical religious leaders of His day. The difference was that while He ate dinner at their homes, He didn't behave as they did.

     "The notion of an evangelical entering horse racing and gambling, well, [Mr. Robertson] can pretend all he wants that he's in it for the beauty of the sport, but you can't look at it that way or buy your way out of it by saying that," Martin Marty commented to Mr. Finley.

     "Mr. Pat" has yet to run a race. The thoroughbred is reported to be in less than perfect health, but that shouldn't be a problem for Mr. Pat, the broadcaster. Mr. Robertson is regularly seen "healing" people on his TV program. Maybe he can call on God to heal his horse. While that would be something worth seeing, don't bet on it.


Cal Thomas is a nationally syndicated columnist

Violin
12:30:45 PM
5/02/02

Good one, Violin.
thebackpacker
12:44:54 PM
5/02/02

thebackpacker what is your point? Are you trying to say Rupert Murdoch is a hypocrite? Just because he is a Republican doesn't mean he fits into your narrow-minded mold. To be honest, I really don't think the show should be own either. However, to say every Republican is a faithful religious conservative is as ignorant as saying every Democrat is a sissified pink panty wearing, tree huggin, baby aborting, homo. Were all people with different backgrounds, views, values, and perceptions. Poor argument. Shouldn’t you be at school?
trailhound57
1:16:10 PM
5/02/02

I'm not quite sure what your point is tbp. Murdoch is an economic de-regulation Republican, these critics of Fox shows are social conservative Republicans. It is interesting that there is a continuing clash, but I don't see that this point to any hypocracy.

Funny how Fox has brought some of the best and worst stuff to TV. Tracy Ullman (I miss it!)and The Simpsons are two of the best things to have happened to TV.
pedxing
1:20:49 PM
5/02/02

Playboy Plaza, Miami, FL, Circa 1970
I was prolly 12. Our family had been invited by another family. They had two sons about my age.

The three of us were walking along the patio one night. The tide was extra high due to a storm. The waves were crashing violently against the seawall. The patio was awash - some waves actually sprayed the building.

Across the front of the building, at the patio level, was a bank of sliding glass doors. The drapes were closed on all but one of the doors. It was a dressing room. At the vanity sat a buck nekkid lady, but she had her back to us - doh!.

Not to worry, for within three seconds another lady entered the room. She, too, was buck nekkid. We got quite an eyefull before the standing lady spied us and rushed the drapes closed.

Gooooooooood times!
gojo
1:35:07 PM
5/02/02

so?
So are you trying to demean conservative values or people that falsely claim to be supporters of those values? If you meant to demean conservative values, you failed. Why does a few hypocrites in position of power make the values wrong? I certainly do not hold up Murdoch or Robertson as roll models of how to live. I don’t think any support of republicans by Murdoch has anything to do with his views on sexual morality.

I like nudity but not playboy. Nudity in playboy is made to be sexual. Nudity is not just about sex. Most people spend more time nude for reasons related to sex than they do for sexual reason. I know I have put cameras in your house and have been timing you. Really though, showering, dressing, sleeping, etc. adds up. Nudity is not a sexual act, but sexual acts are best when nude. My conservative values do not rule out some public nudity but they do rule out promiscuity

Personally I thing the playboy thing is more women exploiting men. Men pay money to see a picture of a nude women. The women gives up what? Heck with computer technology what it is, the women may not look much like the printed picture.
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