Who believes in Global Warming?

“Since China is now the world's leading source of Green House gases it looks like the President was right about the whole Kyoto thing.”

“pick pick pick?

Looking at the "warming" trend is picking?

LOL. Wowza!”

“some people can NEVER admit global warming might be man made. - Y2

Not even when it's COOLING! LOL”

“Silly Mutt, it's cooling because it's warming.

Don't you see?”

“how many times has it happened on this thread alone - a conservative columnist comes up with an opinion piece that selectively cherry picks something - and these boys get all excited and a little wank-fest ensues.”

“a little wank-fest ensues - Y2

LOL - not anything like when King Gore preaches about the consensus behind anthropogenic global warming.”

“You boys seem to be the ones obsessed with Al Gore - secret longings there Muttley?”

“Are you saying Gore isn't one of the biggest public figures on the consensus side?”

“One side cherry picks but the other side doesn't? THAT's the funny part.


Without a doubt, the most convenient issue to ever come along. MMGW is responsible for everything.”

“y2 - Ok, I'll bite. Forget about the "conservative" "opinion piece. Let's talk about your statement alone.

How many of those record numbers are ties, or downward temperature trends?”

“I think Gore is an ass to be honest - the man need to start practicing a little more of what he preaches. What I would say is that, what shall we call it - the 'Environmental Movement' certainly doesn't see him as some sort of leader, more just a loud voice.

While he has had some influence on the debate, and some applaud him for that, I don't think there's many seeing him as some sort of messiah on this. He's found a bandwagon and jumped on it.

NonC - yes, because the vast vast amount of research on this is concluding that the warming trend is real, happening now, and is at least in some part infleunced by human activities.
Against this is a tiny number of reasearchers and scientists who fly in the face.

As I've said before, I don't know 100% whether man-made global warming is happening. But taking action to reduce emissions, pollutants and reliance on foreign fossil fuels makes sense on so many fronts then you'd be a fool not to encourage it.
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“It does make sense and I do encourage it, but for OTHER reasons.”

“Global Cooling- wonder if I can bring up two screens of GC streaming charts to force me over to TT so I don't go to sleep?”

“ties? downward temperature trends? last ten years? somebody throw me a bone.”

“I think Gore is an ass to be honest - the man need to start practicing a little more of what he preaches. What I would say is that, what shall we call it - the 'Environmental Movement' certainly doesn't see him as some sort of leader, more just a loud voice.


Are you kidding? He is eco-royalty. Nobody has been put on this high a pillar.
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“Global Expanded Temperature Range-GETR

GETR there wingers, GETR!

8,000 to 13,000 planes are in the air to chase.
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“He's found a bandwagon and jumped on it. - Y2

As have you. I don't blame you for trying to downplay Mr. Nobel Peace Prize, but you lose credibility doing so.”

“I don't know Mutt, I'm sure we could find many loud figures on the right that you share views with, and who become quite high profile in pushing these views, but who you wouldn't class as a some sort of 'king' of the right, or of any issue for that matter.

Some people need there to be a figure, a literal straw man if you like, to knock down. Al Gore has become that.

This tactic rears it's head in almost anything - the concpet of a 'bad man' is easier to get to grips with than dealing with the particular issue.”

“Some people need there to be a figure, a literal straw man if you like, to knock down. Al Gore has become that.

Maybe I was dreaming ... Did he or did he not get a Nobel Peace prize for his "movement". ... Also, didn't he get like an Academy award or something?

Who put him on those pedestals? The right?”

“Speaking of dealing with the particular issue ... anybody got the low-down on those figures?

Is the trend upward in the last 10 years, or not?”

“I'm sure we could find many loud figures on the right that you share views with, and who become quite high profile in pushing these views, but who you wouldn't class as a some sort of 'king' of the right, or of any issue for that matter. - Y2

Jesus, Y2. He was given a friggin peace prize by the consensus crowd. He's been hailed as a messiah by the hollywood global warming elite. And his books and movies have sold very well to the global warming pissants like you.

Face it, the global warming consensus crowd LOVES gore. That you try to deny it results in your credibility nosediving.”

“He was given the Nobel peace prize for Raising Awareness of the issue. This doesn't make him a leader - I mean is El Baradei some sort of 'king' of the anti-nuclear movement?

Sarge - you question is framed completely wrong and largely irrelvant to the dicussion. Either you don't understand the issue or do this stuff deliberately.
Lets try a different way - have 9 or the ten warmest years on record occured since 1989?”

“No Mutt - you just fail to come up with any persuasive arguments in your favor so you turn to criticising Gore - having scaped the barrel and clutched at every other straw it's all you have left.”

“so you turn to criticising Gore - Y2

No, I'm criticising YOU! LOL. Your claim that Gore isn't a leader of the consensus.”

“Lets try a different way - have 9 or the ten warmest years on record occured since 1989

That would be great, ... if the predictions were not that 2007 (and 2006) (and 2005) ... were predicted to be "the hottest year on record".

The fact is, if global warming is causing global temperatures to continue to rise at an INCREASING RATE ... then each year would get warmer.

That hasn't happened.”

“To be honest Muttly whether you or I think gore is a leader or not has no real baring on things does it - but if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside then sure, 'Gore is my leader, I love him'.

Sarge - I'm not sure if you do it deliberately, but you seem to conveniently miss the entire point. You seem to take it as some sort of weakness that they can't exactly forecast how warm each year will be. This is again part of the pick pick pick.

If you can click the BBC link - this is the important caveat they put in.
They say there is a 60% chance that the average surface temperature will match or exceed the current record from 1998. In the end La Nina kicked in and helped bring temperatures down.

But then realistically, I'm the moron for sitting here arguing about a scientific consensus with a man who thinks evolution is some sort of evil fantasy.
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“Sarge - I'm not sure if you do it deliberately, but you seem to conveniently miss the entire point. You seem to take it as some sort of weakness that they can't exactly forecast how warm each year will be.

Then this should be a simple question for you. Why do the global warming alarmist scientists use these (incorrect) predictions to make their case, if they are, in fact, irrelevant?

Let's back up.

Global warming ... means (now I'm no earth-scientist) ... that things are getting "warmer". If that isn't happening, how can you call it "global warming"?

Maybe you guys should have picked a different name ... like "global staying the same temperature and sometimes even cooler", or something like that? I don't know. What do you think?”

“At least you can admit you're wrong, Y2. That's much more honest than some people. *cough* *cough*”

“Yeah Mutt, you never admitted you were wrong in assuming I am a noninterventionalist, which prompted that ridiculous question of yours. *you should do something about that cough*”

“No, I admitted I was wrong - like I said, I made the mistake of assuming your words meant things!

LOL - backfired again!”

“What words? My words ... in your head?

Do you hear voices?”

“But then realistically, I'm the moron for sitting here arguing about a scientific consensus with a man who thinks evolution is some sort of evil fantasy.
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Y2
12:44:06 PM
1/07/08

lol - I disagree Y2. The Axis of Idiots are like dogs. Sometimes you have to throw them a pigs ear, or toy to keep them preoccupied, so they don't tear up your furniture. The more time you keep them preoccupied, the less damage they do to productive people, or threads in which people want to have a normal conversation.

Thanks for your sacrifice today Y2!

Now ONWARD AXIS OF IDIOTS!”

“....about as smart as dogs, no?”

“so ... no word yet on those numbers?”

“BB...the meds are off again aren't they...sorry dude..”

“Oh! Hey, which reminds me. Thanks XL!”

“In other words............if'n ya need some "meds", XLax is your go to guy, Buddha Bear.

Oxy?
No problemo”

“OH yeah...great Sarge DRAG me down with you (LOL)...don't know what I did but I appreciate your support recently.

Oh Marky mark..what happened...you sure been grumpy since Christmas...didn't get the new vacuum cleaner you wanted from the wifey?

You seem to bring meds and etoh substances up a lot....maybe you need to look into some help. I have seen it with alot of housewives. Take a little too much Mother's Little Helper and before long you are in a rubber room.”

“Shoot me an address and I'll send you a nice fresh jar of piss.

You're the one who brings up the "meds" thing quite a lot.
That's funny for a broken little man who "works" 100 hours per week.
"How does he do it?"

I had twelve days off for the Xmas Break and spent three days in the wild lands of West Virginia and four days in the Adirondacks(that's in New York).”

“You're the one who brings up the "meds" thing quite a lot.
That's funny for a broken little man who "works" 100 hours per week.
"How does he do it?"
Marky Mark

Um its part of being a man...granted this is pretty much Greek to you. (LOL)

I am so glad you went out hunting dates over Christmas.

I see you are into some kinky stuff too...well that's nice.

Why does this remind me of you?
”

“A man spends time with his family, Runty.
That's something you wouldn't know much about.

Gotta go home and make dinner!

Have fun chasing ambulances!

Why does that remind you of me???

Maybe you have a thing for slight boys with big green eyes and sailor suits.”

“
moar funny pictures”

“Marky Mark...I did go home last night and make dinner. LOL. And I do spend time with my family...I guess the difference is I HAVE to earn the money for us to have a nice place to live.”

“Let's get back to how the global temperatures haven't gone up from year to year over the past decade - a decade where things are supposed to be getting progressively worse each year.”

“MarkO talking about what it is to be a man - LOL

Any idiot peter-pan can be a slacker and take care of the kids and generally be a housewife. A man on the other hand provides for and takes care of his family in addition to spending quality time with them.”

“Hey, enough of the man-handling.

Of course, the nasty hurricanes the "scientific concensus community" has predicted have been nutso, right??

riiiiiiiight!”

“20 years from now after the climate has gone through two decades of normal variation, Y2 will still be on here advocating "consensus", saying that we're just not taking into account the big picture.”

“LOL...Sarge the one I am wondering about is how the Volcanos figure into all this. I mean they erupt and put out more than mankind ever has...and they been doing that for MILLIONS of years....”

“But have you ever seen a volcano drive an SUV? Have you? Have you?

That's what I thought.”

“And all that is taken into account.   Obviously.”