Who believes in Global Warming?

“Silly XL, go back to the kudzu covered walls of Appalachia and shag ya some nanny goats.”

“XL, how does your opinion on the non-existence of global warming alter the fact that Exxon spent big money to confuse the public on said issue? Your opinion on the existance of global warming doesn't matter in this case. Exxon spent the money for the confusion, period, even if global warming doesn't exist.

You know, once again you have reacted like sarglo ... providing an attack on an issue that isn't even being discussed. Global warming isn't being discussed right now. Exxon's role in mass public confusion is.”

“I'll nominate you guys for the upcoming,'Piece Prize'.”

“My kids certainly believe in Global Warming. They went swimming a little while ago. I'm wearing shorts, t-shirt and crocks. My citrus trees are blooming. All the doors and windows are open and I'm airing the house. GW's not so bad.”

“"SIlly Laqtose the Intolerant go back to the walls of Academia...debate the Utopian theory of Free Money for picking the right font for the sign."

My, my. Lt. Daniele sure gets pissy when she gets throttled, doesn't she?

Perhaps the boys down at the firehouse haven't give her enough attention today.”

“LOL.Once again I am not disagreeing that there is GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE...no Shi*t since we had an ice age until the 1800s I could guess it was getting WARMER...I am saying that the belief that turning control of our lives over to some grand socialist plan and destroying the success that has been the United States is NOT the only solution.
The only solution the libbies offer is total socialisim and control of our freedoms....Screw them.”

“GOOD NEWS!
The warmer weather has resulted in less fossil fuel (heating oil) burnage. We're saved!”

“I don't know about global warming, but it's damn near 70 in the mountains of East TN.

I wouldn't call it global freezing.”

“Hmmm - I read the blog and the ABCnews article, but only the executive summary of the seminal article. My response is "so what". Exxon is well within its rights to spend its money and influence as it sees fit. A majority of climate scientists obviously believe human activity is driving global warming. Even though the extent of human impact on the global climate is highly debatable, they are urgently lobbying for far-ranging - and potentially economically devestating - changes to combat its potential. ("Tillerson also acknowledged the issue of global warming in comments to a group of business executives in November, saying "the potential risks to society could prove to be significant, so despite the areas of uncertainties that do exist, it is prudent to develop and implement strategies that address the potential risks.")

It seems to me that Exxon is merely doing the same thing from the other side of the coin. There *is* uncertainty in the science - that no amount of ad populum fallacy from the global-warming lobbyists will erase. Exxon is focusing on that salient fact and downplaying the rest - the mirror opposite of what the global warming lobbyists are doing.

Each side is playing a rather slimey game with questionable science, IMO. This story is a case-study in pot-kettle-black.”

“I do believe that climate changes are cyclical. I do believe that we have some effect on the climate. Are these effects so huge as to be catastrophic? I doubt it.”

“Mutt,Pot-pipe-black?”

“What motive is there for the overwhelming majority of scientists to exaggerate the threat?”

“Never underestimate the self-importance and self-interest of academicians/scientists when it comes to highly visible social issues.”

“What gets me is the arrogance of the "union of concerned scientists". They are forced to admit the science is far from settled, yet they argue as if it is and they are completely correct, and that Exxon is big scary evil corporation that is obviously on the wrong side of the issue (since the scientists have their mob majority agreement after all). Talk about being manipulative from the get-go.
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“The Great Ice Age ain't through getting over. Geeeez, you'ns will bicker over the silliest, most baseless-est crap!

Good God a'mighty. It was just yeaterday that Cro magnon stepped up to the edge of glacieated Central Europe.”

“I'm almost afraid that Denver is going to glaciate at this point...”

“Never underestimate the self-importance and self-interest of academicians/scientists when it comes to highly visible social issues.” Mutt


You soooo hit the nail on the head!”

“You people have let this be cast as a left/right issue. How stupid!

You're Exxon/Mobil's useful idiots.”

“Who said we did that?”

“"the sky is falling!"”

“So that's what that was! *rubs bump on her noggin*”

“Personally, I do not think it will happen quite so soon but the guy in this link says so:

"Runaway Global Warming promises to literally burn-up agricultural areas
into dust worldwide by 2012, causing global famine, anarchy, diseases,
and war on a global scale as military powers including the U.S., Russia,
and China, fight for control of the Earth's remaining resources.

Over 4.5 billion people could die from Global Warming related causes by
2012, as planet Earth accelarates into a greed-driven horrific catastrophe."

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/...s/message/97792”

“LOL...group not found....

2012???HMM I noticed they reported the hottest year on record for 112 years....112 thats a wierd number...maybe because if you go back 113 you find a hotter year.

In 1990 Ted Danson said the oceans would be dead in 10 years....(if you are counting we are in year 17 of that estimate).

Hills...the Enviornmental Wacko thing is just the next Socialisim try (after the death of try one which was Communisim) to destroy the United States. Face it it seems awful wierd that the only thing that can control this looming disaster is for the US to become a third world nation. Sorry don't wash.”

“Typically the same people that are soooo scared of global warming are also the ones pushing the THEORY of evolution. Hey... we can just grow flippers when the water covers the land.”

“This reminds me of the John Titor meme, except from a global warming perspective.”

“"Hey... we can just grow flippers when the water covers the land."

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“LOL at laqtis.

How did I not think of that???

Hopefully we will evolve into something better than Kevin Costner.
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“Every time I sell a stock a few too many bucks from the top, I think of Kevins' miss and I feel better.”

“"Face it it seems awful weird that the only thing that can control this looming disaster is for the US to become a third world nation."- XL400236

Several of us have explained ad nauseum that your premise is untrue. One last time: reducing our greenhouse emissions does not mean a return to the lifestyles of the 1800's.”

“Like the basketball star that kids realign on to pick their shoes, the US picks the liestyle of many worldwide.”

“And getting renewables online here would help the lifestyles of the developing nations, salebored, since they wouldn't get caught in the trap we are already in. Its like phone service. It took this country 50 years to build out the network so it was usable from most places. Developing nations embraced cell phones from the start and had nationwide networks in just a few years. They skipped the growing pains. We get renewables to work and then they can skip the growing pains and use them from the start.”

“People like XL would rather keep handing billions and billions of America dollars to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Venezuela, Nigeria, Russia just so he wouldn't be seen to support a 'green leftist' cause.

He would obviously like its future to be decided by a few Saudi Princes or Iranian Mullahs.”

“Oh no, it's y2!”

“I think that renewables is one of the great routes to take to sustain our gluttonous way of life. Renewables can fill the gap between increasing demand and supply of "traditional" energy sources.

Plus, it provides for additional job opportunities for our Americans here at home, during a time of job loss to overseas companies.”

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Gore, U.N. Body Win Nobel Peace Prize

By Howard Schneider and Debbi Wilgoren
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 12, 2007; 8:32 AM

Former vice president Al Gore and a United Nations panel that monitors climate change were jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize today for their work educating the world about global warming and advocating for political action to control it.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee characterized Gore as "the single individual who has done most" to convince world governments and leaders that climate change is real, is caused by human activity, and poses a grave threat. Gore has focused on the issue through books, promotional events and his Academy Award-winning documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a joint project between the United Nations Environment Program and the World Meteorological Organization, has been monitoring evidence of climate change and possible solutions since 1988.

The science showcased by the panel and Gore's advocacy have helped to "build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change," the committee said.

"Whereas in the 1980s global warming seemed to be merely an interesting hypothesis, the 1990s produced clear scientific support."

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“Whereas in the 1980s global warming seemed to be merely an interesting hypothesis, the 1990s produced clear scientific support."

Gore's film contains "serious scientific inaccuracies, political propaganda and sentimental mush".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/10/11/scigore111.xml

Al Gore's environmental documentary An Inconvenient Truth contains nine key scientific errors, a High Court judge ruled yesterday.

The nine alleged errors in the film

* Mr Gore claims that a sea-level rise of up to 20 feet would be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland "in the near future". The judge said: "This is distinctly alarmist and part of Mr Gore's "wake-up call". He agreed that if Greenland melted it would release this amount of water - "but only after, and over, millennia"."The Armageddon scenario he predicts, insofar as it suggests that sea level rises of seven metres might occur in the immediate future, is not in line with the scientific consensus."


* The film claims that low-lying inhabited Pacific atolls "are being inundated because of anthropogenic global warming" but the judge ruled there was no evidence of any evacuation having yet happened.


* The documentary speaks of global warming "shutting down the Ocean Conveyor" - the process by which the Gulf Stream is carried over the North Atlantic to western Europe. Citing the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the judge said that it was "very unlikely" that the Ocean Conveyor, also known as the Meridional Overturning Circulation, would shut down in the future, though it might slow down.


* Mr Gore claims that two graphs, one plotting a rise in C02 and the other the rise in temperature over a period of 650,000 years, showed "an exact fit". The judge said that, although there was general scientific agreement that there was a connection, "the two graphs do not establish what Mr Gore asserts".


* Mr Gore says the disappearance of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro was directly attributable to global warming, but the judge ruled that it scientists have not established that the recession of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro is primarily attributable to human-induced climate change.


* The film contends that the drying up of Lake Chad is a prime example of a catastrophic result of global warming but the judge said there was insufficient evidence, and that "it is apparently considered to be far more likely to result from other factors, such as population increase and over-grazing, and regional climate variability."


* Mr Gore blames Hurricane Katrina and the consequent devastation in New Orleans on global warming, but the judge ruled there was "insufficient evidence to show that".


* Mr Gore cites a scientific study that shows, for the first time, that polar bears were being found after drowning from "swimming long distances - up to 60 miles - to find the ice" The judge said: "The only scientific study that either side before me can find is one which indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm."That was not to say there might not in future be drowning-related deaths of bears if the trend of regression of pack ice continued - "but it plainly does not support Mr Gore's description".


* Mr Gore said that coral reefs all over the world were being bleached because of global warming and other factors. Again citing the IPCC, the judge agreed that, if temperatures were to rise by 1-3 degrees centigrade, there would be increased coral bleaching and mortality, unless the coral could adapt. However, he ruled that separating the impacts of stresses due to climate change from other stresses, such as over-fishing, and pollution was difficult.”””

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The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children's teeth are set on edge.

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“That really is the best you can do isn't it?”

“Tin Commandos = Nien Reprimandos”

“You mean provide facts about the inaccuracies of the movie, after you had provided a lie about "clear scientific support"?

I think you're the one who needs to up their game, bud.”

“who is bud?”

“Maybe you were referring to your unrelated poem meant to produce an emotional response, followed by my very real picture of Gore, in an emotional state, with an added trophy to demonstrate his personal agenda?

Yeah, you definitely need to up your game.”

“Or maybe you're referring to how you were just about to make this about me, and not the topic at hand?

Yeah, you definitely need to do something about your game, pal.”

“Who is thirdterm? I want to know if it's "halloween" for somebody on my ignore lis.”

“You can't do anything but paste coal company propaganda and funny pictures.  That's all you've ever done.”

“4 replies in 5 minutes to one post = FAIL”

“Actually that was a judge's ruling, not from a coal company.

My understanding from this website is that judge's are always right.”

“What's the problem?  You don't have any goofy photos of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in your arsenal?”