Who believes in Global Warming?

“I honestly think they do believe rosie, I just do not think they care. I hope I'm wrong, but my guess is we are polishing the brass on the Titanic. The oil will be gone someday; no matter where they drill for it. The oil companies have long been rumored to actively stamp out any attempts of alternative energy sources, by buying them out, or "other methods." Who knows? But if they ruin this earth while I'm still alive, I'll feed on CEO's.(probably real tender too.)”

“A few more days of this weather and global warming will start sounding pretty good.”

“Yes, those abstracts are a little involved.

I was thinking about the hulabaloo re: CAFE standards and these 'smaller, more unsafe' cars they keep talking about. It wasn't that long ago that the SUVs were plastered all over the news because they were rolling over left and right --- not passenger vehicles... (unless, of course, you're in a regular car and an SUV rolls over on top of you... )

Do they really expect our memories to be that short?”

“A massive Antarctic ice shelf has collapsed into the sea, shattering into thousands of icebergs and alarming researchers by the speed with which the process unfolded.

Navy report shows polar ice cap melting fast”

“well, it's definitely not cooling down”

“What's the worry? 720 billion tons of an Antarctic ice sheet has disintegrated in less than a month? That's great news! Once all that ice is gone Shrub can send his oil buds down there to do some drillin'!”

“I heard on the boob tube One Iceberg was over 2000 square miles???

Time for that sequel to Titanic...

(if they had been thinking ahead, they wouldn't have sunk the ship in the first one, <G>)”

“Relax. Stay calm. Everything is perfectly normal.”

“The ice shelf breaking up is just a secret plot by dubya and his oil buddies to drill in the Antarctic.”

“Wouldn't it be great if some country drag that big iceberg (half the size of Prince Edward Island) to their land. That's a lot of fresh water.”

“Even as a republican I agree that globle warming is not a consprisy to get people in/out of office. If it was fake, how come 5 years ago every year before it we had snow in NJ, now we don't even get rain in the winter. With the iceberge melting, well I read that it has nothing to do with GlobalWarming, and I believe it, however cars, trucks and many otherthings are heating up this world. THe question is, are you willing to turn off your heat/TV/oven/Computer/whateverproduces heat just for globle warming, HELL NO”

“Stanlee, do you have a suggestion on how to drag an iceberg the size of a small country half way across the ocean.....You see, NJ has this terrible drought.....”

“If I were that smart, I won't be here TTing :o)

How's about installing gigantic sails on and around it, so the wind can blow it towards NJ?”

“Article on tree ring data and historical climate cycles.


http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/03/22/tree.rings.ap/index.html”

“That's some crazy weather we have out there. I think Winter and Spring were switched.”

“Cherry-picking the data again, gordon?”

“I'll see your upper bound of 1,000 years and raise you 419,000, <G>.”

“Did you even bother to read anything except Captain Planet comic books, tilt?

I posted the CNN article without comment, neither endorsing nor dismissing it. I have done tree ring analysis myself and know it is only a small piece of information within a larger.

Your post, on the other hand, states up front it is opinion and not endorsed by the National Science Foundation.

It appears you are the biggest cherry picker here, but the environmental industry has a long record of cherry picking data and outright fabrication of data.”

“Blame SUVs for global warming. Evil SUV people who have total disregard for pollution and global warming.”

“Approximately 10% of all electricity in the U.S. is used by computers and related equipment. Fossil fuels are used to produce electricity. So this website is contributing to global warming and anyone who posts here is partly responsible for global warming.









I just want to do my share.”

“Your fooling yourself, g, but only yourself.

Your opinion is well-know here. If you didn't think the story was a slam against the theory, you wouldn't have posted, LOL.

I'll say it again: I'll take ~420,000 of ice core data over 1,000 years of Tree Rings any day. Period. Get a larger data set.”

“You still cannot read with any comprehension.

Even the New Hampshire data clearly shows the worst case warming projected by the now discredited UN-IPCC report is well within the normal fluctuations of the past.”

“I believe in the Theory of Global Warming. I believe it merits some research. Unfortunately, they probably won't be able to prove it exists and the exact causes (human or natural-I heard a theory that volcanoes emit more Greenhouse gases than all the human factors combined) until LA and NY city our gone.

he he he”

“I saw a program on TLC last night about a rapid cooling trend (I forget how) many thousand years ago. They attributed it to a warming trend, melting and receeding glaciers that formed a HUMUNGOUS freshwater lake, and subsequent icedam faliure that flooded the northern Atlantic with fresh water. The cold temp and the drastic difference in salinity altered the oceanic currents so much that it caused a rapid cooling of the atmosphere that lasted for hundreds of years.

There are many natural causes for global weather and climate change, regardless, we humans are now an attributing factor no matter how big or small.”

“The figures vary significantly from year to year, even century to century, but volcanic activity averages to about 300 million tons of carbon added to the atmosphere every year, approximately the same amount as the oceans and surface freshwaters absorb each year.”

“Recent evidence:

Earth's Warming Trend is Truly Global
April 12, 2002 8:30 CDT

Researchers from Michigan and Canada worked together to find that over the past half century, the rocks that make up Earth's continental crust have significantly warmed up, in tandem with the warming of the oceans, atmosphere, and ice reported by other researchers last year. They say determining that the continents have warmed right alongside the other pieces of Earth's climate system shows that the warming of our planet has been truly global.

"Our findings remove any last doubt that this is anything other than a global phenomenon," says Henry Pollack, U-M professor of geological sciences, who collaborated on the work with U-M assistant research scientist Shaopeng Huang, U-M graduate student Jason Smerdon, and Hugo Beltrami of St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia. Details of their research are reported in the April 15th issue of Geophysical Research Letters, a leading geology journal.

"Until recently, the story of global warming has been built up primarily on the basis of temperature measurements at the surface of the land and oceans," says Pollack. "These measurements have been painstakingly acquired and put together, and there has been enough information to reconstruct a temperature history for the Earth's surface for the past 140 years. But it's all based on surface measurements."

They added on to that approach last year when another group of researchers figured out the amount of heat that had been gained during the last half of the 20th century throughout the atmosphere, the depths of the oceans, and the cryosphere (the portion of Earth's surface where water is in solid form such as sea ice, snow cover, glaciers, ice caps and permafrost). But their study omitted a major part of the climate system: continental rock, which covers nearly 30 percent of the planet's surface.

Pollack, Beltrami and colleagues have made the picture complete by determining how much the continental rock has warmed in recent centuries. They based their analysis on temperature readings taken by lowering sensitive thermometers into holes drilled from Earth's surface into rock formations on six continents (Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, and Australia).

The readings can show exactly how temperatures have changed in the past because the heat absorbed by surface rocks travels slowly downward into subsurface rocks, leaving a distinct signature in the rocks. Signals from short-term daily or seasonal variations penetrate only a few meters, and Earth quickly "forgets" them, but temperature changes that take place over hundreds of years are preserved in deeper rock.

The researchers' calculations are based on data from 616 bore holes, from which they found evidence of an increase in the heat content of the continents over the past 500 years. Over half of that heat gain occurred during the 20th century and nearly one-third since 1950. "The magnitude of the warming we estimate is very similar to that which has come from the studies of the ocean, atmosphere and ice," says Pollack. "We believe it makes a persuasive case that the warming has been truly global."

Source: University of Michigan

Cosmiverse Staff Writer

from: http://www.cosmiverse.com/science04120203.html”

“I think the evidence that the earth is warming is overwhelming. The big questions are: 1) what is causing the trend? 2) What can we do about it? 3) How far will it go.

It seems plausible to me that human activity is causing the warming. However, I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me. I still have a very open mind on this. Maybe if I understood things better I would have a stronger opion. I don't know.”

“I wonder how those thermocouples were calibrated? I don't know ped, to me this just casts more doubt on the subject. They just admitted their sampling techniques were poor at best.”

“Where did they admit this Biz?”

“Any accounting for the different density and thermal characteristics of rocks over continents, 500 years leaves out man as a major contributor. Mostly BS the earth goes through phases of warming and cooling with or without man's help.”

“As a Student of Atmospheric Sciences, I've had many a discussion and much research over this topic. Basicly, ped is right. The earth us undergoing a warming trend right now. The question is why. The problem with this is that the earths atmosphere is so complex that isolating a single cause and saying without doubt that it is the only cause is impossible. Just think of it this way. Forcast models are used to predict the weather, and are based off of differential equations. The problem is that these diff eqs are extremely complex if all variables are taking into account. To make them simple enough for a computer to solve, some variables are held constant and assumptions are made. If you look at a short time interval, these variables are constant enough that the equations hold, but over 4 days, they change enough to have the error become signifigant. After 10 days, only general trends are predictable. Now imagine taking this model, playing with the C02 variable and running it for a century. If a 10 day forecast is that bad, think about a 100 year one.”

“I've got it! It's my toaster. I left it on, but it's off now. Whew! Close one!

Sorry everyone!”

“ROTFL Phaedrus!”

“No doubt! that explains why the beer is never as cold as in the good ol'...................toaster?”

“I pray for the destruction of the USA and its poluting tendency.”

“How about that study that indicated that the friction from ALL the automobiles whizzing around on roads of this globe is a great contributer to the warming trend, and that the quick accellerations and stops are even affecting the earth's spin.”

“It's also been proven that the heat given off from oil pipe lines increases the carabu reproduction. Drill ANWAR NOW!”

“Have you noticed how it’s NOT RAINING MUCH again; how most of the weather fronts that have managed to come through this season have been DISSIPATED and BROKEN UP? Have you noticed the occasional WEIRD CLOUD SHAPES that appear with the few fronts that do manage to pass by? And how the jet stream has been FORCED NORTH again? How high pressure ridges continue to dominate?

Some say the rain is BEING TURNED ON and OFF by an irritated and vengeful G_d. In reality, however, it is Man who is playing G_d and doing the dirty work. None of this is ILLUSORY or ACCIDENTAL, for there is POWERFUL and COMPELLING EVIDENCE that the BIZARRE WEATHER patterns of recent years have been - to a very large degree - ENGINEERED, CONTROLLED, and INFLUENCED by BOTH the RUSSIAN and AMERICAN governments. To those of you familiar with the work of the SUPERMIND OF NIKOLA TESLA, the following will not come as much of a surprise.

On the Fourth of July, 1976, the former Soviet Union began broadcasting huge, PULSED ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS from three gigantic 40-million watt transmitters which beamed those signals HALFWAY AROUND THE WORLD to the U.S. This electronic assault DISRUPTED AND JAMMED radio and television broadcast signals, enraged the FCC, and irritated ham radio operators, who quickly dubbed the signals 'The Russian Woodpecker,' because of their PULSED CADENCE.

To date, the Russians have completed nearly 30 of the HUGE TRANSMITTERS which emit signals primarily in the VERY DANGEROUS 10-Hertz range, otherwise known as Extreme Low Frequency (ELF). The technology is based on the brilliant work of the peerless electrical genius, Nikola Tesla. So, what exactly does the 'Russian Woodpecker' do and how does it do it? Consider the following:

These 'Tesla' transmitters create massive 'standing' ELF waves that form MAJOR HIGH PRESSURE 'blocking systems' that change the normal high altitude jet stream pattern, FORCE IT TO THE NORTH, and actually retard the normal flow patterns of incoming weather systems. Ever notice the television weather satellite pictures showing the jet stream pushed north and a BIG STATIONARY high pressure blocking nearly every major rain system?

ELF fields propagate vertically to the ground, creating 'standing waves' that can REDISTRIBUTE ENERGY and momentum in the atmosphere through cumulus convection. It has been CONSISTENTLY NOTED that variance of the ELF transmissions leads to a subsequent change in the route of the jet stream flow in the Northern Hemisphere within 72 hours.

The Soviets TURNED OFF their ELF Woodpecker signal for a brief period in 1980: "During the two-week lull, the Northern Hemisphere's jet stream was NORMAL. With the return of the Soviet ELF transmissions, the jet stream was DEFLECTED AGAIN by a persistent high-pressure ridge extending from the Yukon to Arizona.

There is much more, but I THINK YOU GET THE PICTURE. 'Everyone complains about the weather, but nobody does anything about it,' doesn’t function any more.

Nikola Tesla said, in June 1900, " The time is very near when we shall have the precipitation of the moisture of the atmosphere under complete control..." If you have ever read a biography of the GREAT GENIUS, you'll know he wasn't joking.

Does the U.S. government have ITS OWN series of ELF/microwave transmitters? You bet. Can ELF be used to do more than ENGINEER and INFLUENCE just the weather (like human beings, for example)?

Yes, it CAN and IS. But that's another story...



By the way, YOU can BELIEVE ME as I had more than 42 BAG NIGHTS last year and have been backpacking FOR OVER 30 light-years.”

“The threat posed by humans to the natural environment is nothing compared to the threat to humans posed by global environmental policy. – Fred L. Smith (1992)”

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
    H.L. Mencken”

“Man's impact upon the earth is heavy but the left wing is using it to leverage there cause. There is no conclusive evidence that global warming is actually occurring but liberals are using it to keep you voting Democratic as their primary purpose..... Pollitics and public relations at it’s best....”

“Did anyone watch the show on the discovery channel that related to this matter?”

“Recently... ?

I didn't see it.”

“Yeah, I think it was on last week. Very interesting stuff. It mainly spoke to how our climate works in relation to Ice Ages. I noticed that in the most recent BP magazine they reported on some physical evidence that coincided with the information provided on the show. It was very infomative.”

“I did not see it.

White House edits global warming report”

“Okay... I noticed how the pro-energy / climate-change naysayers at the magazine site had been kicking up some dust in the last week. I guess the article stirred them up again.

I accidentally let my subscription lapse... about a decade ago, <Ha>


I worked with some folks who studied climate change back in '95 and they always said it was pretty much 'a done deal'... just a question of how serious it turned out to be.

I guess we'll find out for sure in a few more years!”

“The jist of the show was this:

1. Over the life of the earth, there have been dramatic temperature changes that have can be conclusively traced to Ice Ages.

2. Over the past 100 years, the average temperature has risen by approximately 5 degrees, a huge change, and one that will lead us to a new ice age.

3. The Ocean's deep sea currents are generated by dense, cold saltwater off the coast of Greenland, sinking to the bottom of the ocean, and circulating south along the Americian coast, then east toward Australia where the water wrams and rises, and recirculates up to greenland where the process happens again. This creates a "air conditioner" effect that regulates temperatures world temperatures.

4. As a result of global warming, greenlands freshwater arctic glaciers are melting, diluting the heavy condensed saltwater, which is diminishing the sinking of the cold, heavy, arctic water near Greenland. When this happens, the world becomes cooler, creating ice ages.

5. Scientists estimate based on the number of Greenland based ice floats that the "air conditioner" will diminish and stop due to the glacial melt, gradually creating another Ice age in the future.

I wish I knew some of the hard numbers, but the arguement was very compelling.”

“Well, if the ice age is coming, we'd better start the wholesales manufacture of greenhouse gasses to compensate!”

“Yes I did see that quite some time ago, very interesting.”