The New Newspeak

“The following is the language of the New World Order. Get used to hearing it. Most of the ignorati in this country are well versed in it.

"The New Newspeak"
By Hamit Dardagah

"Humanitarian assistance=We bomb you. (Have a nice day.)
Restraint=We bomb you when we are good and ready.
The War Against Terrorism (TWAT)=Terrorism Against The Afghans (TATA)
Our vengeance=Retribution
Their vengeance=Vengeance
Our hatred=Justifiable anger
Their hatred=Insanity
Our violence=We are not responsible for it, they are.
Their violence=We are not responsible for it, they are.
Expressing the view that America should be capable of conduct less vicious than the terrorists'=Anti-Americanism
Expressing the view that America should be capable of conduct more vicious than the terrorists'=Pro-Americanism
Anthrax=No joking matter
Enduring Freedom=What Afghans do
When we murder children=1001 Excuses
When they murder children=There is no excuse on Earth for harming, let alone brutally ending, innocent lives
Famine relief agencies=Organizations with questionable agendas and strange methods
Bombing the starving=Ending hunger
Bombing the poor=Ending poverty
Bombing the oppressed=Freeing them
Bombing men armed with rifles=Demonstrating our Air Supremacy
Bombing women=Demonstrating our commitment to feminism
Bombing children=Demonstrating our commitment to the future
Bombing the freezing=Warming them up
Bombing=Our answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything
Not bombing=Doing nothing "”

“whiner = solitary hiker
solitary hiker = whiner”

“It is getting a little ugly out there. I read today in a London paper that some FBI people were looking into ways that physical pressure (read: torture) could be exerted on suspects in the bombings because no one is talking.

One way would be to extradite some people to France or a Middle Eastern country to be interrogated in places that don't outlaw torture.

Then, I see people booed off stages.

We have how many hundreds of people in jails without charges brought. How are the authorities able to keep them in?

I'm in support of the bombing, but I don't like the chilling effect of this whole thing. We should be able to question, question, question. These things *might* deter terrorism, but I don't want to wake up one day without the freedoms previous generations fought and died for.

BTW, your chances of dying at the hands of terrorists are less than getting killed in a car wreck, dying of cancer... Come on people, get a stiff upper lip and keep some perspective.

BTW, my dad lived through American bombings in Belgium during WWII. Two of my uncles were killed. If my family could survive that, then I sure as hell can keep living my life.”

“Ambrose Bierce would have been proud. You know this is gonna come back to haunt you?”

“Ambrose! COOL!

Haven't heard from old Ambrose in a while. He's been keeping a low profile.

Who said, "The first casualty of war is the truth." ??

Most all gov'ts can hold people forever and a day without having to file charges because the people do not have the right to file a writ of habeas corpus. Come on you JD-hikers. Give me a hand here.”

“"ignorati"

Pray tell, what da hell?

Reformed, would you agree to such non violent methods as sodium pentathal in extracting information? I do agree there are a lot of grey areas that will need to be addressed as this whole thing moves along.”

“I believe the exact quote is "The first casualty when war comes is truth.". Attributed to California's Senator Hiram Johnson during World War I.”

“Well, duh! Look at all those lies that SH posted.”

“Are they holding the suspects on "immigration violations".”

“As far as Truth goes, I don't think anyone's hands are sparkling clean on this one. I didn't expect then to be. Did anyone?”

“Truth is wholly dependent upon perspective.”

“I heard on the radio this morning they figured out a way to get rid of Bin Loden for good. They are giving him a job as Gary Condit's intern.”

“Bacpac thanks for the compliment. I intend to "whine" from now till doomsday when it comes to speaking out against the idiotic Middle Eastern policies of the United States. We are now beginning to reap the whirlwind for our slavish devotion to Israel and our love of big gas guzzling automobiles. It's time the America people tuned out the swill being pumped out by the American press and television and started thinking for themselves.

The bombing of Afghanistan has nothing do do with getting Bin Laden and everything to do with building a gas/oil pipeline across that country. A pipeline that will earn billions for Amirican and British multi-national corporations that at this moment are developing the oil fields of Central Asia republics of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan.

Every American soldier that loses his life, every Afghani that loses his life will lose it for "our American way of life".
In my mind that means 10 or 15 percent of the world's population using using 80 percent of the world's resources.

If that makes me a whiner then so be it.”

“I still find it hard to believe that some people are still so ignorant. Does anybody really think that if we packed up and left the middle east entirely the terrorism would stop?”

“Gordon I can't believe you could be so stupid as to think that what we are doing over there will stop the terrorism. Our actions in the Middle East and particularly Afghanistan are "breeding" thousands of Osama bin Ladens. We haven't even begun to see the terrorism we ourselves are conjuring up.”

“SH is a fear monger.”

“Let me get this clear.

Just because Big Oil wanted to build a pipeline across Afghanistan, you think that is the only reason we are over there?

That big crater in lower Manhattan has nothing to do with it?

Thanks for reducing a complex world to one simple guiding force. It makes it a lot easier for me to think now. Phew!”

“Solitary hiker, good for you. It's refreshing to see some intelligence on this site instead of the usual pathetic bacpac BS and drivel. The US has been targeting and bombing civilians, a Red Cross food storage warehouse, and now a hospital...and denying it. After the UN confirms it, only then does the USA admit its guilt. The US is the biggest terrorist bully in the world, and who can blame Arabs if they want to kill lying pigs such as Americans. Too bad bacpac wasn't in the WTC, for if anyone *deserves* to die, surely scum such as he does.”

“Spock=Solitary Hiker?”

“And here I was just thinking, "Where's Spock been?" and ya come off with hoping bacpac was in the WTC. I usually enjoy your wit and banter but that's down right disapointing. Can we get back to happy stuff like guns and abortion? 8)”

“Spock = dork!”

“Nigal, you off my list of truly intellectual people on this site. The list is now Solitary Hiker, Gear Slut, Tom Terrific, and maybe Wanderer.

Definitely not on that list is laqtis whose only original idea is:

RE: Spock...
Spock = Dork
laqtis
10/5/01”

“ya those terrorist wussys (I cant say the "P" word) never targeted any civilians did they spook”

“well, i'm glad to see that spock was honest enough to not put himself on the list of intellectual people.”

“Ya stix, and the US didn't target and kill thousands of Iraqi children with food and medicine sanctions to stop Saddam's weapons of mass destruction? How much sense did that make? If the US can kill thousands of innocent Arab children, what is wrong with targeting America's ecomony? Let's not have any hypocritical American double standards...that's why they hate the USA.”

“ecomony = economy”

“But I'm sure with your modesty, rad, that you would put yourself on a list of the truly funny. (GAG)”

“hmm, should i be impressed by your "modesty"? or perhaps by your "calm" "logic"? bitter burn outs are a dime a dozen, old man. you need a new gig.”

“Can I at least be on your sh!t list? I have never found intelligence to be a product of agreeing with other's opinions. If my thinking it's wrong to wish death on someone makes me less than intelligent, I'll wear that hat gladly.

Have a great day Spock.”

“One more remark from you rad, and I'n going to start a thread about your whore wife.”

“Your right Spock. We should be as good to the Iraqi people as Saddam Hussein. Aside from using chemical weapons on them, he has been very generous. Since the Gulf War, Saddam has spent over $2 billion on presidential palaces.

Yeah, we're bad, very bad.”

“Violin, who created Saddam? Who created Osama? Take a wild F###ing guess.”

“yeah, nige. i think spock NEEDS a great day.”

“solitary hiker:

The war will not stop terrorism. It will slow it down and give pause to anyone who wishes to kill 6,000 innocent people in the future. I realize that your limited intelligence, lack of knowledge, and general cowardice makes it impossible for you to understand the concept of self-defense, so I understand your moronic postings here.

Keep growing up and eventually you will have the maturity to understand.”

“We need a guy like Spock making Foreign Policy. He is a real diplomat.

Once again 100 years of US foreign policy is responsible for 5000 years of war in the middle east. Can't you folks understand that????”

“gordon, where is the war on terrorism? Why no attempt to get Bin Laden? Why only the targeting of hospitals and food storage? Why not sanctions against the Taliban? Sanctions seemed to be effective against Saddam as we killed thousands of children.”

“Just so others are not drawn in by the obvious appeal of these high intellects, here is a link to a US Dept of State report on the UN sanction program imposed upon Iraq.

As with anything, read it with a critical eye, but you owe it to yourselves to read it.”

“Please explain how the sanctions killed thousands of children.”

“spock = spew!”

“Please explain how the Egyptians killed innocent people in the WTC.”

“they flew jets into them”

“Spock = pathetic loser

He could be the only person on the earth actually stupid enough to believe Taliban news releases!

Your spin on sanctions against Iraq is almost laughable. U.N. sanctions are actually the U.S. specifically targetting arab children? Yeah, right! But I do agree, we need a better response to Saddam, since he doesn't care how many of his own citizens he kills in his quest for weapons of mass destruction. I'm sure the U.S. will do the right thing when the time is right.”

“Hey spock:

Don't you have some anthrax to snort?”

“I'm sure the U.S. will do the right thing when the time is right.


BobK
10/23/01

Ya Bob, like maybe leaving Saddam in power instead of taking him out the first time. Maybe the US can say the Taliban must be eliminated, then turn around and say that some "moderate" elements of the Taliban are needed in a post-war Afghan government...just so we can keep a military presence in Pakistan. Bush left Saddam in power for the purpose of keeping a US foot in the middle east.”

“Spock, I didn't say the U.S. did the right thing back in '91. Although they were trying to do the right thing in a way, by not going beyond freeing kuwait from an invading nation. Hmmm... So do we actually agree that the U.S. should have removed Saddam from power during the Gulf War? If so, would you agree we should remove him now?”

“Spock, We couldn't take out Saddam because the Gulf War was a UN action and under so, we had to stop short. How many arabs would we po'd then? I'm sure you'd something else to bitch about...”

“SH -
Quit your fuc*ing whining - you spineless b!tch.

How dare you sympathize with the enemy. Listen, dumbass - we are at war - get a stomach for crying out loud. The Taliban was given ample opportunity to "cough-up" bin Laden, but refused to do so. They are getting what was promised in return. We're going to get bin Laden by whatever means are neccessary. He is the enemy. He will die.

Casualties of war? Imagine that!
WAR, dumba$$... we're at war.

Stop at bin Laden? Not on your life. This is gonna get MUCH bigger and MUCH uglier loooooooong before it is resolved - pull up a chair.”

“ROFLMAO! Gordy you have me chuckling now. You too gojo. This site is rich. I bet neither one of you two were ever in the military were you? yeah I figured as much.


Ever notice it's the blowhards who were never there that want to blow everything and everyone up?”

“With all due respect SH, what I find rich is that the people who cry foul the most offer the least amount of input to a solution. What have you PERSONALLY done during this time to offer help to the situation (hint: cutting and pasting articles doesn?t count)? Have you offered ANY solutions while so eagerly pointing out the problems? How many letters have you written to your congressman? Your senator? Bin Laudin has called for the destruction of the Jews and America. That my friend is called genocide. Pray tell sir, how should we react to this as well as to the country that supports him? And no I have never served in the military (BTW, have YOU?) but this doesn?t void a person?s input as to the policies of our country.”

“Spock = troll

I disagree with almost everything bacpac posts here, but suggesting that we would be better off if he had been blown up is sick and rotten.”